shovelhd

echappist, got it?

shovelhd

I'm sure that's been done before.

mollusk

How about this?

Nate552

I feel your pain. I have a 12.5 mile TT to do tomorrow at 6 pm. Predicted temp is 102 with a HI of 107. Last time I did this TT in the same kind of heat my power was down 9%.

agoodale

When it comes to college recruiting there is a game that has to be played. I'm ok with that. What I wonder is how many kids that are getting recruited have actually been playing since there were 5/6?

kensuf

sounds about right. I'm still a little sick.

shovelhd

In my experience, most.

ridethecliche

I'm pretty sure that studies have shown that kids now-a-days suffer from low self esteem and confidence issues mostly because they've been 'winners' (more like weeners) all their life through these 'sports'.

If you're always used to winning, then the real world will chew you up and spit you the hell out.

agoodale

interesting. Do you think the extra years playing is necessary or would those same physically gifted kids be just as valuable to colleges if they had started playing in middle school?

ridethecliche

Depends on the ability and how good kids are at being coached. Having played in the right leagues for a longer period of time means that the kids are more 'coachable' and are probably better at playing the game.

I bet a bunch of kids are walk ons that just amaze people in middle school.

shovelhd

I can only tell you what I've seen in basketball, not soccer or any other sport. Sure, there are kids with the right body structure, intelligence, and the desire to learn that can become high level players in a short time. Basketball, with its premium on height, gets a lot of them. But it also puts a lot of value on court smarts, which is not impossible to learn in a short time, but years of experience and a variety of coaching methodologies can separate the good from the great players. One thing I've seen in the players that have been playing since they were very young is that there is a crossroads at age 13 or 14. That is when they're good enough to be stars, they know the game well, they win a lot, and they question themselves whether they want to continue. Telling them how great they are doesn't cut it anymore. A lot of them drop out of the sport at that age. The ones that continue tend to have one of three traits - a) parents that push them (all too common), b) that hunger, desire and love for the sport since they started playing it (very rare), or c) they've looked in the mirror after questioning themselves and decided to keep going (happens more often than not).

shovelhd

Yes and no. A lot of the egomaniacs aren't coachable by anyone. Why do you think Bobby Knight throws chairs.

Psimet2001 

I want this coach.....again.....

jwible

I was born for that race. I think I could go into negative time.

shovelhd

You had long hair.

Psimet2001 

Interesting that you use that reference. I was being coached by these guys in Bloomington at the exact same time that Coach Knight was throwing chairs......maybe I'm just nostalgic.

shovelhd

John Wooden
Bobby Knight
everybody else

But we digress.

big john

In his book, Kareem Abdul Jabbar said when Coach Wooden said "Gracious sakes alive" it struck more fear into the hearts of the players than any tirade of oscenities from any other coach.

miwoodar

https://www.sportsscientists.com/2011...and-genes.html
https://www.sportsscientists.com/2011...e-secrets.html



A lot of college basketball coaches behaved pretty poorly in Knight's big days but failed to get the recognition that he did.

Enthalpic

That is painful to read. If you don't know what you're writing about leave "studies" out of it. A guy I know had a table similar to this posted in his office, always thought it was funny.

Interpreting Statements in Scientific Papers - What Common Research Phrases Really Mean
By Anne Marie Helmenstine, Ph.D.

"It can be shown"

Somebody said they did this, but I can't duplicate their results. I can't even find the reference, or else I would have cited that instead.

"It has long been known"

I don't know the original reference.

"A trend is evident"

Okay, a trend does seem apparent to me, but no statistical analysis in the world will support it.

"Of great theoretical and practical importance"

Means it is interesting to me or else I want it to be interesting to somebody with money so they will fund my research.

"Although there are no definite answers to these questions..."

My experiment failed, but I still want to get published.

"Three samples were selected for detailed study"

Because the other ones sucked!

"Typical results are shown"

Either means the only results are shown or the best results are shown.

"These results will be described in a subsequent report"

Could mean: "I had to hurry and get this paper published" or "My sabbatical is over and it's someone else's job to figure out the data."

"The most reliable results are those obtained by Smith."

Smith is or was my graduate research assistant.

"It is believed that..."

I think this (and either no one agrees with me or else I didn't consult anyone).

"It is generally believed that"

I think this and at least one other person agrees with me.

"Additional work will be required to elucidate the mechanism"

I don't have a clue what is going on and I'm not going to be the one to figure it out.

"Correct within an order of magnitude"

So very, very wrong.

"It is hoped that this study will stimulate further investigation"

If I cared about further investigation, I'd tell you about my future plans. You can do the research. You won't get any answers either.

"Thanks are due to Joe Shmoe for assistance with the experiment and to Sam Smith for his help in preparing this paper"

Shmoe did the work. Smith wrote the paper. My lab hosted the experiment, so I get all of the credit and any awards that might be given.

"A careful analysis of obtainable data"

I analyzed what data I could, which wasn't much because the other data was lost (chemical spill, computer error, equipment malfunction, etc.).

rankin116

Interesting. What sports do your kids play?

ridethecliche

I meant that I've seen a study from which I am drawing my conclusion, but I'm not going to dig for it because I'm at work.

But hey:

https://dfw.cbslocal.com/2011/01/11/s...h-self-esteem/

News clip based on a study. I haven't bothered to look at this specific study, but I've read stuff like this in various business journals and news articles that link to others as well.

Seriously, I can dig up journals too, but I didn't see the need in this case.

rankin116

I had a coach in high school baseball who would swear more than any person I have ever known. Only at his players though. Smoked a pack of non-filter camels a day as well. All his players loved him.

My fondest memory is from a game in 8th grade. He brought me in in relief, 2 runners on. I walk 2 in a row, allowing the tying run to score. Could not find the strike zone. He walks out to remove me, and as he's crossing the third base line, he starts to say LOUDLY "Alan you little mother flucking c*ck sucker!"

No one took what he said personally though, that's just how he spoke. He loved his players.

ridethecliche

I played the sims when I was 15 you know.

I base all my real world knowledge on that.

Basing my observations on friends that I've grown up with and athletes I've known in school and their own personal experiences.

Apus^2

Something like this is discussed in Nurture Shock by Po Bronson and Ashley Merryman (https://www.nurtureshock.com/). Basically when I was growing up it was all about the ego--praise, praise, praise for being smart, smart, smart. They studied two groups of kids--ones that were told "You are so smart" vs ones that were told "You must have really worked hard." What they found was that kids that were constantly told they were smart were less likely to tackle hard problems--if they didn't immediately grasp the concept they thought they weren't good at it and didn't want to try it any more. Kids that were praised for their ability to work hard on a problem were more likely to take the time and try to work through a harder problem--they tried harder and didn't give up.

Freakonomics also discusses some of this--why children of athletes often grow up to be athletes...I need to read that book.