waterrockets 

It's not worth it. She looks best at the first glance. The more detail you have from a stare, the more perfection she loses -- I don't care who it is, but this is truth. Hold the thought, then quickly find another woman to look at, because she'll actually be entertaining while Tawni walks by. Other women have this great subtle scowl as they look a pretty woman up and down. You don't get caught, you still have registered the best she'll look in your memory banks, and you get some entertainment out of it.

Yeah, total battery hog. In-car charger barely keeps up with it. Worth it though.

rkwaki

Wouldn't ever touch it...
My wife has the best build I have ever seen, it's big cans that get me distracted...

johnybutts

My thought is that during a "build" period with lots of threshold, losing 3 lbs in 2 weeks is indicative of not fueling properly. which in turn is why my intervals are sucking.

the throwing up I'm thinking is separate - heat induced. my body just doesn't like the heat right now.

Over-reaching? Maybe, but I'm really not training very much. 8 hours a week?

grolby

I guess it could mean that your nutrition is off, yes, that seems strange to me, but I don't know anything about that. Rkwaki is the guy to talk to about that, he knows a lot about eating.

I would think about the possibility of overreaching, it's still possible to do on low-volume if you've built up enough fatigue, right? Maybe try a rest week?

waterrockets 

Boy, a history of power data sure would come in handy right about now

valygrl

Could you be pregnant? ;-)

johnybutts

=P

Yup. But the good news is I'm finally selling my old road bike (cashflow) and selling the SRM that wouldn't work (cashflow) and *might* join a real team with teammates (discount). so a PM might be in the future...

rkwaki

Nom Nom Nom...

rkwaki

I would anticipate that the throwing up is coming from the heat and lack of hydration. I often ask people about water consumption and they all say they drink a lot. THen I tell them I shoot for 1-1.5 gallons of water a day (I also drink Diet Coke and Mountain Dew) so I probably take in 2 gallons of liquids a day.
Riding in the heat is tricky, it saps you over time if you are not properly hydrated and eating properly.
I would suggest you upping your water intake dramatically and having some sort of recovery (i.e. Complete Nutrition 3Plenish) drink in the bottles while in the heat.
I can train to the point of throw up but it is usually in the gym using a harness and sled (you're welcome wr).
The body is like a car in many respects. Heat robs a car's engine of horsepower, as does it rob your body of power. Muscles have nutrients depleted, etc. You said in earlier posts that you sweat heavily, this in itself should tell you to up the water.

waterrockets 

using a harness and sled (you're welcome wr).

The pink boa looking one or black leather?

johnybutts

I'm probably on the order of ~2 gallons/d of water intake. I drink water (and coffee) all day long and especially after riding. Pee is clear. Maybe I need to increase salt intake...

rkwaki

After the riding is important, before is even more important.
If it is diet related we can find out, email me a log of what you eat (times/quantity/etc.) and I'll take a quick look.

waterrockets 

FWIW, I have to meet a certain daily urine output (2500ml). How much I drink affects that amount, but clearly how much I need to drink is impacted by what's going on that day with heat and exercise. I think this is a better metric than how much you drink, even if it's not 2500ml, FWIW.

johnybutts

Don't mean to sound like a smartass, but how are you measuring your pee?

johnybutts

Most weekdays are the same. Weekends I get sloppy with my diet. Everything is based on convenience, not nutrition.

big bowl of cereal and milk - maybe 2 cups?
2-3 cups of coffee
liter of water
sandwhich with bread/turkey/ham/avocado/cheese
yogurt cup
apple with peanut butter
chips or popcorn of some sort
2 liters of water
(all that before about 2:00pm)
afternon coffee 1-2 cups

6:00pm ride 1-2 hrs.
pre-packaged pasta thing like cheese ravioli or italian sausage or something.
another 1-1.5 liters of water

That only gets me to maybe 1.25 gallons of water. (we have 0.5L waters at work) 4L to a gallon (roughly) coffee has fluids, but not sure how hydrating they are. That's my typical day.

rkwaki

I tried to measure mine on the weekend and asked wr how does he do it (remember I was there playing nurse this weekend)? I was a little shocked at his answer but this is truly what the conversation was:
rkwaki: Hey WR I know you measure your pee, how do you do it?
wr: Well let me instruct you.
rkwaki: OK
wr: first let me lay out this huge roll of plastic on the living room floor
rkwaki: um, ok..
wr: next I will stip down to my scibbies and lay on the plastic...
rkwaki: ahhhhhh, r u sure
wr: No problem, I did this when hammy asked me too...
rkwaki: ok well this sounds like it might work
wr: now when i give you the signal I will need you to pee all over me, when you are done I will tell you the quantity based on:
1. The size of the stream
2. The duration of the pee
3. The overall flavor, ahh I mean color
rkwaki: Well if it worked for hammy...
wr: BTW did I tell yo I measure my bowel movements too**********

Racer Ex 

rkwaki

Don't mention Italian sausage, WR will think you are talking about him...

THere are lots of holes to fill in your diet. Not saying that is what is causing the current issues but fixing that would be a place to start. Oh yeah and eating for convenience rather than nutrition is not good...

waterrockets 

Yeah, I think the smartass angle is well covered. I measured for a while last year after my kidney stone (dr's orders). I was able to calculate a pretty accurate rate based on a duration in seconds, and ignoring the last few seconds. The easy answer is that now I know I need to pee a lot, and I have a sense of what that means in terms of trips to the head and their frequency.

TMonk

i think u need to eat more after your ride -

i have similar hours to you (perhaps slightly more) and weight in at 150-155lbs and I eat more than that during the PM hours, but the AM hours look pretty similar to what I eat.
i also get a lot of extra calories from beer a few nights a week

rkwaki

Overall there isn't enough food, or often enough. I can make some of you guys super duper fast based on nutrition alone.

MDcatV

+1, that made me laugh.

johnnybutts - I've only skimmed your posts, but what i've surmised is you're:

restricting calories
trying to build form
drinking water and coffee all day
training in heat
throwing up from efforts
not performing to your expected wattage levels
dont think you're over reaching on 8 hrs./week

i also think you started an i love beer thread a while ago.

you can restrict calories and build form, but in my experience, it's tough. the calories have to be good ones with a purpose; good carbs and lots of 'em, good protein, and some fat; and lots of vegetables for the minerals and other vitamins they contain, as well as the water they contain. alcohol is not a good caloric consumption and dehydrates you, it, along with sweets like ice cream, oreos, chocolate, etc. should be avoided.

coffee is a diuretic and dehydrates you. so is iced tea, i think all you southerners drink that crap.

throwing up from heat is heat exhaustion, and starting to teeter over to heat stroke, which is a 9-1-1 medical emergency. people die from heat stroke. you should adjust your training to avoid barfing from efforts that you think are prompted by heat. a good strategy that allot of racers use is to double up your rides. do your "work" in the early morning, blast out your intervals, etc., then do a 1 hr. or so ez ride in the hot part of the day so that your body acclimates to the heat that you'll be racing in.

anyone could over train on 8 hrs./week with lots of intensity especially if restricting calories and in a state of dehydration. your body just cant recover from the stress you're putting on it. I would bet $1 of mine, plus rkwaki's girly beemer that that's why your wattages are not where you want them to be.

revchuck 

jb - Just a thought...you might want to sub beans for the prepared pasta stuff. They're just as convenient and better for you. Get a one pound bag of whatever you like, soak them overnight Sunday, cut up some sausage or ham (about a pound's worth) and an onion and maybe throw in some bay leaves, put it in the crock pot on low Monday morning before you leave for work. They'll be done when you get home. They'll last a week if you eat them every night, or longer if you switch out with other stuff. I've been geo-batching it for a while, and this works pretty well for me.

rkwaki

My girly beemer will beat the girlier miata we just bought my son...
I agree with md completely. I have offered to fix the nutrition of a lot of people here and elsewhere and when I give them a plan they look and say "seriously?"
It is work and a lot of it but as I have said many times: you can lose weight or go fast, trying to both at the same time is very difficult.
I always train in the heat, one of my nicknames was The Spaniard as I can take the heat like very few can (I come from a Finnish background and was raise in a sauna, some people think that may have helped) but much of that comes from my nutrition.

johnybutts

I'm not actively trying to restrict calories. I am eating whatever I want whenever I want (i.e. not thinking about it). You're right though that I'll probably have 4 beers a week maybe, didn't include that.

I'm not talking about barfing episodes where I have to get off the bike (what I'd expect from heat exhaustion/stroke), just like accidental burp, mouthful of throwup.

Here's my recycle container at work: