Hermes

Nap in the afternoon and gym workout.

aaronmcd

Awesome and hard race today.

Week:
12 hours
700 TSS
233 miles

jsutkeepspining

3 more hours *****es.

abhirama

I've always wondered about this - so what's the downside? Why not just do it all the time? I used to ride with a 20-25mm setback but as part of achieving a better position, my tinkering led me to a zero setback post with saddle moved to quite a bit to the front (and a longer stem, slammed), so much so that the next bike I buy will have a steeper STA.

aaronmcd

I have a reversible seatpost, but I keep it forward with the saddle all the way back. It looks about at zero setback. It does look weird, but I like it forward for all but climbing. I do move back for descent cornering as well.

carpediemracing 

I am with you on position. I have custom geo, 75.5 seat tube angle, ~50 cm equivalent seat tube (actual length 40 cm to top of top tube, about 43? cm to top of the tube), 56.5 top tube, and "the shortest headset you can do" which ended up 9.5 cm.

At some point you lose power in some way, although I haven't experimented with a powermeter to find out. However, for my purposes, my position works well for rides up to maybe 8 hours. I typically race 1-1.5 hours, 2 hours max.

My saddle is 5mm more forward than typical for my quad length because I also use cranks longer than typical. I used to use 167.5s, went to 170s, and about 10 years ago went to 175s. Tried to return to 170s for a full season in 2008 and 2011 and the 175s were better.

etc.

Anyway if you're doing more low rpm stuff then you want to be back further. I find myself sitting back when doing seated power stuff, like steep hills (if it's slippery, like in the wet or on dirt) or doing some seated big gear work (to stress the glutes etc). However my first reaction is to stand, which of course moves me forward of the saddle.

caloso

Led the Juniors ride today. We did some race simulations and drills. One of them was a drag race in your lowest gear. My kid had a 34x25. One of the kids was on his dad's 1980 something Bianchi with old school gearing. I think his lowest gear was 42x21 and he smoked us all. Steel is real.

gsteinb

In my experience you slide forward anyway. Meaning you slip your saddle forward, go hard, move forward. Eventually I ended up too far forward and developed some achings. Fit is a personal thing, and to some extent it's also based on what kind of riding you do.

Wesley36

Last week racked up 10 hours of Z2 on the rollers for 534 TSS, this upcoming week I will be adding another hour in there, and throwing in a day of HIT.

misterwaterfall

Only z2 on the rollers? But why?

TexMac

Sat: 60 miles 3k ft climbing
Sun: rest
Today: commute 20 miles. Will play hookie and leave at lunch for 50 miles home
2013: 6k miles total
CAT 5.5

Wesley36

A mix of reasons, partly because I was off the bike for about a month (sick + vasectomy) and I am getting back into it.

However, also partly because a block of (relatively) higher volume and lower intensity fits into my training plan. I know, 10 hours a week isn't that high in terms of volume, but last season my weekly TSS was generally around 400-450, so 530TSS last week, probably ~600 this week, and ~650 next week does represent a measured increase in training stress.

After that I begin to introduce force intervals and subthreshold work. Right now I am so happy to be back on the bike I don't mind the z2 spinning, so I figure, load up on volume now, next month when it is less fun just being on the rollers, I get the more interesting intervals.

And finally, perhaps I am barking up the wrong tree here, but compared to many others here, I suspect my aerobic system is underdeveloped, and there are certain training adaptations that others have from previous training that I do not. Last season my FTP increased by about 30 watts, and about 20W of that increase happened when I was doing mostly z2 work.

gsteinb

trainer stuff - strength work - trainer stuff

200 TSS over 3 hours


vacation begins. merry christmas boy and girls. we're off the kick it hard with Mickey.

mattm

1 hour recovery spin, 95 rpm avg (and probably similar power avg)

jsutkeepspining

2 hours of spinning plus whiskey intervals with my dad.

Tomorrow should be extra super fun

tetonrider

i like seeing if i can get my cadence > HR on those rides.

for me it's hard to spin >100 and keep HR to 2-digits.

revchuck 

For my recovery rides, I try to keep both power and HR <100. I'll do fast pedal intervals, but usually do normal or slightly less cadence for the rest of the ride.

furiousferret

Supposed to do an epic ride in the mountains but instead spent 2 hours fixing my power meter. After the battery swap out it failed to read the left sensor. Used a spare battery cover which fixed it.

Probably for the best since managing multiple 250 tss rides in a week is probably beyond my ability level. I'm sure some guys here can pull it off but I'm not one of them. Going to do a boring ride on the trail. Riding to the beach then Disneyland tomorrow, so the low tss is probably for the best.

hubcyclist

based on adjusting my saddle a bit and such in the past week, decided to do another threshold session using trainerroad (using their 2x20 test). Last week I did 216w and today I did 2x20 avg 224w (3.2w/kg) with an LTHR of 167, so my guess that my saddle adjustment made a difference turned out to be true. Since starting using this app on Nov 18, I've gone from 207-224, it's been fun to have some structure and see improvements. gotta get some quality home riding done while I can, will be traveling for a week from Xmas-New year's and will go to a spin studio a few times to get my fix.

bmcphx

jeez, my HR is >100 just walking to my bike.

mattm

of all the numbers to compare against others, hr is the one that varies the most from person to person.

bmcphx

I'm aware

misterwaterfall

Sometimes when I'm alone at night my HR >180...I'll let you fill in the blanks

revchuck 

Good thing ewang isn't based on heart rate. My HR at Z2 power is in the 120s. I'd be even further down the hole than I am now.

bmcphx

only at night?