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Originally Posted by tommyrod74
(Post 19130431)
So... on a slightly different topic...
I'm looking at used SRMs for my crit bike. I run a 52-54t single narrow-wide ring on that bike; all the used SRM units I'm considering are 53/39 standard double setups. Would I need to recalibrate the slope or similar if I buy one and convert it to 1x? Can I even run it as a 1X? Calibration is only required when changing chainring style/construction. Chainring construction causes slope to vary more than tooth count or variances among similar styles, so unless you’re changing to an ultralight ring or TT-style ring, I don’t think calibration is necessary. Crank arm length is also not a factor with the slope calibration method employed by SRM USA. |
Would any of you race on a bike with downtube shifters or is that a big no-no?
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There is a guy around here that has been racing on a 90s steel frame bike with downtube shifters for the last few years...he just upgraded to cat 2
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1x on a crit bike is dumb. Weight is not a factor. You need the small ring for warmups. A big wide range cassette and mid cage derailleur is not optimal for crits at all. You want one tooth cog changes.
Downtube shifters will work fine but you will be at a disadvantage if you are a windup sprinter that shifts during the sprint. |
Originally Posted by tetonrider
(Post 19141551)
you didn't supply enough info (e.g. no models) for anyone here to provide more info. as for stems....it's just math (trig) to figure out what length/angle you need. of note: some stems claim to be a certain length but can vary as much as 5mm IME. congrats on the new bike. I'm on the road for most of a month, so cobbling this together on small devices https://www.giant-bicycles.com/us/tcr-advanced-0-2013 small vs https://www.racycles.com/road/bmc/bm...egra-bike-9802 51 cm |
Originally Posted by shovelhd
(Post 19142863)
1x on a crit bike is dumb. Weight is not a factor. You need the small ring for warmups. A big wide range cassette and mid cage derailleur is not optimal for crits at all. You want one tooth cog changes.
Downtube shifters will work fine but you will be at a disadvantage if you are a windup sprinter that shifts during the sprint. I'm confident it will be fine as a crit bike setup, especially considering I have an identical bike that has a standard 53/39 crankset. I wouldn't race it in the mountains, but I've never used the entire cassette in a crit no matter how hilly (I weigh sub-140 in season), and warmups on a flat course in a 52 or 54 aren't a problem. |
Originally Posted by tommyrod74
(Post 19143019)
I've been riding the 1x bike all around here (central NC) as a training bike with no issues for the past month or so, with 11 speed 11-28. I've never seen a need for 1 tooth cog changes on any crit bike, the jumps on that cassette aren't big, and having an XC background I'm OK with minor variations in cadence (and they are minor).
I'm confident it will be fine as a crit bike setup, especially considering I have an identical bike that has a standard 53/39 crankset. I wouldn't race it in the mountains, but I've never used the entire cassette in a crit no matter how hilly (I weigh sub-140 in season), and warmups on a flat course in a 52 or 54 aren't a problem. Still dumb. |
Originally Posted by Wylde06
(Post 19142743)
There is a guy around here that has been racing on a 90s steel frame bike with downtube shifters for the last few years...he just upgraded to cat 2
Originally Posted by shovelhd
(Post 19142863)
Downtube shifters will work fine but you will be at a disadvantage if you are a windup sprinter that shifts during the sprint.
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Originally Posted by shovelhd
(Post 19143085)
Cool, man.
Still dumb. |
Originally Posted by PepeM
(Post 19142738)
Would any of you race on a bike with downtube shifters or is that a big no-no?
Sometime 2014 one is a manager on son's junior team and one is my son's coach. |
rock & roll lube. good recommendation. I like it.
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Originally Posted by Ygduf
(Post 19143248)
rock & roll lube. good recommendation. I like it.
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Originally Posted by Doge
(Post 19143269)
Red or Gold? Being up there I'm guessing Gold.
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Well my Quarq finally died from the Rain I rode in on Saturday (Or maybe it was the difficult crank removal process? Required a fair bit of torque to remove.) Regardless the BB was basically dead as a doorknob, removed the crank and replaced the BB before a ride yesterday morning. Got it all back together and I started to get the really funky calibration numbers.
I am not surprised this happened though. A few times during the season the unit would go through these random fits where the numbers would basically fly out of bounds, then they would come back to a regular calibration an hour or two later. Quarq told me that if it kept going back to normal values 90% of the time there was nothing they could do. Better it dies now than how it died last year (A week before my biggest A-Race). Wondering if they will upgrade me to a DFour? |
Originally Posted by PepeM
(Post 19143124)
I don't think I have ever shifted during a sprint. I really need to work on my sprinting technique, I am just awful at it.
Sprinter della Casa: Story - SUNY Purchase Tuesday Night Sprints Then STI levers came out, he got them, and I literally never beat him again in a fair straight up sprint. If you read the above story the guy/s I write about were his teammates for the longest time. If I were you I'd get a right side bar end shifter. Even if it's not indexed. Cut the bar down to put the shifter in your hand when you're on the drops. Sprinter della Casa: How To - Bar End Shifters for Crits Every time you shift you can hit a new peak. My peak power is maybe 1200w in a race sprint. I shift when I jump. Second shift, maybe 1100w. Third shift, if necessary, sometimes I can hit 1100w but it's more like 1000w or less. Much better than one 1200w peak and then a dramatic taper down to 600w sustained. This is how I average a high power for 15+ seconds, I'm not "holding" 1000-1100w, I'm doing repeated 1100w peaks to push the average up but I'm sprinting at maybe 800-900w. My best sprints were repeated 1200-1400w peaks, averaging 1100w for the duration of the sprint. Also each shift is an opportunity to gap off the rider on your wheel, which is worth more because the less shelter they have the harder they have to go to get back to you. |
My Pmax currently sits at 804W. :o
Also, my regular bike has STIs, but I am building up an old frame and I was thinking of going for downtube shifters just to have something different. Still not convinced it is worth it. I do need to make some time this winter to work on sprinting technique. Right now more often than not I end up either in the wrong gear or wobbling like crazy or just being unable to get the power down when I try. The few times it has clicked it seems like I can get some decent speed going. Not win a bunch sprint speed, but at least not end 300 meters behind bad, which is usually what happens. |
I rode my bike set up in 1x10 for much of a season when
Also when I only had the 39x11 in that race I beat a Cat 2 sprinter who runs a 54x11 or a 55x11. He gave it a good shot apparently, I thought he simply didn't sprint. Having said that I prefer to sprint in big gears, 53x11-13 for the most part, jumping in the lower gears. |
Originally Posted by PepeM
(Post 19142738)
Would any of you race on a bike with downtube shifters or is that a big no-no?
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Originally Posted by carpediemracing
(Post 19144304)
I rode my bike set up in 1x10 for much of a season when I broke something on my bike during a race. I just blocked out the small ring. I didn't think it was a big deal until I fixed it and got to use the small ring again. It was a relief. 53x39, 11-25, and my training is mostly (99%) flat roads and I only do big ring crits. In fact I never shift into the small ring in races because it only increases the chances of dropping my chain, even though I run a N-Gear Jumpstop, I have a well adjusted front derailleur, etc.
Also when I only had the 39x11 in that race I beat a Cat 2 sprinter who runs a 54x11 or a 55x11. He gave it a good shot apparently, I thought he simply didn't sprint. Having said that I prefer to sprint in big gears, 53x11-13 for the most part, jumping in the lower gears. I don't really use the small ring around here except on Z1 rides (or Z2 rides on climby terrain). The last road race of the season was 61 miles, 2800+ feet of climbing (not mountainous, but not remotely flat) and I never touched the front derailleur all race, climbing seated ~95% of the time. I made the break of 3, and stayed away for 40 miles for second place. After that, I figured a front derailleur for our pancake-flat crits would be unnecessary. I like the simplicity, the clean look, the quiet in all gears, and the extra chain security with a narrow-wide ring. I have dropped chains to the inside in crits on occasion; that wasn't the reason to go 1x, more that I had 2 identical bikes and could afford to limit the gearing on one of them in the name of trying something different. After all, 2x5 gearing wasn't too incredibly long ago, and had far more overlap between available ratios. If it were my only or primary bike, I wouldn't have done it. If I don't like it in the long term, it's not exactly an irreversible change. |
Originally Posted by dz_nuzz
(Post 19144175)
Well my Quarq finally died from the Rain I rode in on Saturday (Or maybe it was the difficult crank removal process? Required a fair bit of torque to remove.) Regardless the BB was basically dead as a doorknob, removed the crank and replaced the BB before a ride yesterday morning. Got it all back together and I started to get the really funky calibration numbers.
I am not surprised this happened though. A few times during the season the unit would go through these random fits where the numbers would basically fly out of bounds, then they would come back to a regular calibration an hour or two later. Quarq told me that if it kept going back to normal values 90% of the time there was nothing they could do. Better it dies now than how it died last year (A week before my biggest A-Race). Wondering if they will upgrade me to a DFour? |
Best handlebar tape for wet, color black? I received a $50 gift cert to Comp Cyclist and don't know what to buy there. I need new tape, I should have replaced it for 2015 but never did, still have the tape from 2014 on my bike.
Maybe the new Podium Ice bottles. Just saw those. |
Originally Posted by tetonrider
(Post 19145970)
you know what they say about the best time to sell a Quarq... :)
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Originally Posted by carpediemracing
(Post 19146277)
Best handlebar tape for wet, color black? I received a $50 gift cert to Comp Cyclist and don't know what to buy there. I need new tape, I should have replaced it for 2015 but never did, still have the tape from 2014 on my bike.
Maybe the new Podium Ice bottles. Just saw those. |
This is Quarq number 2 that has died on me in about 4 years of use. They have a pretty decent track record in my book so far and seem to provide consistent data so if I am without one for a week, big deal. I realize that SRMs have a good track record but the same thing happened to his SRM about a month ago.
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Originally Posted by carpediemracing
(Post 19146277)
Best handlebar tape for wet, color black? I received a $50 gift cert to Comp Cyclist and don't know what to buy there. I need new tape, I should have replaced it for 2015 but never did, still have the tape from 2014 on my bike.
Maybe the new Podium Ice bottles. Just saw those. |
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