JoeyBike

Opposite facing lights don't mean squat when there are turning lanes and pedestrian walk signals involved on larger intersections.

I-Like-To-Bike

Who the heck relies on hearing to tell if something is coming their way at an intersection? Sounds like a plan for disaster sooner, rather than later.

jeichelberg87

Even if they are going counter, the light is going to be red, green, or yellow in front of them. A right arrow green for southbound traffic means red minimum for north traffic intending to turn left. So that cyclist would see it.

howsteepisit

I have seen on rare occasions intersections that allow traffic in one travel direction at a time. So a northbound may be green while northbound is red. Admittedly rare though.

jeichelberg87

Just to confirm. What?

howsteepisit

I have seen intersections where there is only one traffic flow at a time say North bound is green, then S, E, W would all be red. Then E green, with N, W, and S all red, and so on.

Leisesturm

I have seen this as well. Quite common in Portland, and getting more so. It is an easy thing for an intersection controlled by sensors to keep the light red for the northbound side if there are no cars there, while allowing a green for the southbound side if cars are detected. A cyclist whose bike doesn't trip the sensor is DOA, until a car comes along. Sadly a majority of cyclists are not as upset as they should be that intersections require the presence of a motor vehicle to give them right of way. My cat requires my active cooperation to give him access to the outdoors, and again to return to the warmth and dry (relative) of the indoors. A cyclist shouldn't need the cooperation of our motor vehicle owning bettors to get green signals or green left turn arrows.

JoeyBike

I can't tell you how many times I hit my brakes for a dude running a leaf blower three blocks away down a cross street. I don't rely on my hearing but apparently it comes into play somehow.
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CB HI

It is becoming more common on Oahu and in many states.

Note - your first post on this issue said northbound red and northbound green, and that is so rare that I have never seen it for the same northbound lane.

howsteepisit

Ya, that would indeed be rare.

Equinox

I find this hard to believe. And even if it did (which I doubt), the far bigger, more serious and more dangerous issue is cars that run red lights. I see that every time I'm on the road. And aside from bike messengers in Manhattan,I've never seen a civilian bicyclist ride through a red light into an active intersection without checking. My sample size is statistically significant. And while I don't condone what the bike messengers in Manhattan do, they don't trust the motorists. They are wrong. They are guilty. They are skilled.

Rollfast

Tomorrow is certainly their opportunity.

KD5NRH

Probably saving their energy to vote for Hillary next week.

Leisesturm

You say that like that's a bad thing...

howsteepisit

You don't think dead people voting is a bad thing?

Miele Man

One thing I've noticed about red light and stop sign runners is that no matter what you tell them they'll continue to do at least until they get hit. If they survive (heal up) they might still continue to run those red lights and/or stop signs.

Cheers

CB HI

Yet, Idaho cyclist are getting along just fine.

Leisesturm

As long as they vote a straight Democratic ticket they're good with me...

Leisesturm

I have trouble believing this. You really think the mass of humanity is composed of imbeciles don't you.

Miele Man

We're talking about those bicyclists who DON'T SLOW DOWN before they blow the red light or stop sign. I see them on a fairly frequent basis and it's astounding that more of them don't get hit. Luckily for them the drivers are alert enough to take evasive action to avoid hitting them although on a few occasions I've seen where that evasive action to avoid hitting the bicyclist led to a motor vehicle to motor vehicle collision instead. I know some drivers who say they'd hit the bicyclist rather than risk their (the driver's) life by trying to avoid them.

Red light and stop sign runners will rationalize until Hell freezes over that they don't cause problems for other road users. I've seen differently. I just hope the red light and stop sign runners here never get that run down feeling because they made an error in judgement.

Cheers

Miele Man

Every day one the streets of Toronto I see imbeciles riding bicycles in an extremely unsafe manner that makes the streets 9and/or sidewalks) dangerous for everyone else. The worst are the fixed-gear riders who seem to think they are immune to the laws pertaining to traffic and physics.

Cheers

Daniel4

You've read it right here in this thread four pages of explanations how their judgement is better than everybody else's including motorists who run red lights and that guy who was staring at me in the eye as I was in the intersection with the amber/red light trying to finish my turn. I could see him trying to decide whether to enter and cut in front of me or not.

And then there were these cyclists at the really rough corner of the Martin-Goodman trail/Don River under the Gardiner running through the stop sign as they made their right turns right in front of me on the trail as I was trying to make my left turn. Now if I had the same attitude as those stop sign runners, there'd be a pile-up of cyclists from both directions.

lostarchitect 

As usual:

Miele Man

I can't tell you how many riders i see at Bloor & Yonge or Bloor and bay running red lights. I don't mean they slow down and then proceed I mean they ride right out in front of through traffic that has the right of way and those vehicles either slam on their brakes or have to swerve to avoid the idiot on two wheels. Downtown with the fixed gear messengers can be a nightmare for everyone on the roads and sidewalks. Those messengers expect everyone to get out of their way.

The Advocacy & Safety forum seems to be more of a Rationalization forum wherein riders post why they think they can get away with things/bad riding behaviours than it is about safe bicycle riding.

Cheers

JoeyBike

Well....there is an expiration date on that behavior. NOBODY here (A&S) that I have seen condones that behavior no matter how many lights they run with better judgement.
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