View Poll Results: What Are Your Helmet Wearing Habits?
I've never worn a bike helmet



52
10.40%
I used to wear a helmet, but have stopped



24
4.80%
I've always worn a helmet



208
41.60%
I didn't wear a helmet, but now do



126
25.20%
I sometimes wear a helmet depending on the conditions



90
18.00%
Voters: 500. You may not vote on this poll
The Helmet Thread 2
#3601
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If the outer shell not cracked, inner EPS core not cracked, and all attachment points are strong and intact, I believe the helmet should be ok. This is nearly impossible to “prove” so if you will sleep better at night just get a new helmet.
Reminder helmets work mainly by slowing down the sudden deceleration of head/brain on impact, and this happens by allowing the EPS to crush. So based on this, I do expect helmet should be ok.
Reminder helmets work mainly by slowing down the sudden deceleration of head/brain on impact, and this happens by allowing the EPS to crush. So based on this, I do expect helmet should be ok.
#3603
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From: NJ, USA
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It's all about that "styrofoam shell." (insert your favorite science names, like expanded polystyrene or whatever). The job of that stuff is to absorb most of the impact force in a fall, rather than it all being applied to your eggshell skull. The problem arises when that "ability to absorb and compress" has been utilized -- it's a one-time service for that foam. So, after you whack your skull on the ground inside your helmet, you have "done the compression," and the foam will not serve its mission in a future impact. So you replace the helmet after a fall and treat your skull to new, uncompressed foam. And it's not something you can necessarily inspect post-impact, so the rule is "you bang it and it's new helmet time." What the "it's OK" voters here are saying is: this drop most likely did not compromise the foam. Ride on, kiddie"
In response to Bald Paul ... I'd be full stop at "used helmet" regardless of a drop or not. Used helmet? That's just gross. Like used underwear.
In response to Bald Paul ... I'd be full stop at "used helmet" regardless of a drop or not. Used helmet? That's just gross. Like used underwear.
#3605
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From: Burlington Iowa
Bikes: Vaterland and Ragazzi
If a 5 ft drop while empty is likely to make the serious injury mitigation capability of bicycle helmets suspect, the capability and/or reliance for protection from such a fragile product when worn is also suspect.
#3607
Just a person on bike


Joined: Aug 2013
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From: Seattle, WA
Bikes: 2015 Trek 1.1, 2021 Specialized Roubaix, 2022 Tern HSD S+
Thanks everyone for the (mostly) helpful insights.
I have decided to buy her a new helmet. She'll be 3 in a few weeks, so it is going to be one of her birghday presents. Judging from the information given in the replies, the current helmet is *probably* fine. It's just for my peace of mind.
I have decided to buy her a new helmet. She'll be 3 in a few weeks, so it is going to be one of her birghday presents. Judging from the information given in the replies, the current helmet is *probably* fine. It's just for my peace of mind.
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#3609
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From: Burlington Iowa
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In response to Bald Paul ... I'd be full stop at "used helmet" regardless of a drop or not. Used helmet? That's just gross. Like used underwear.
Would my family reuse my or my child's used underwear if in excellent condition after laundering? Yes.
There are no hidden defects that are not also visible that would make underwear or bicycle helmets unserviceable .
Replacing helmets in visibly excellent condition due to a fear of hidden defects (or time induced hidden degradation) is a successful marketing ploy promoted by so-called safety advocates encouraged by some helmet manufacturers and retailers.
Last edited by I-Like-To-Bike; 04-28-23 at 07:13 AM.
#3610
Tragically Ignorant

Joined: Jun 2018
Posts: 15,593
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From: New England
Bikes: Serotta Atlanta; 1994 Specialized Allez Pro; Giant OCR A1; SOMA Double Cross Disc; 2022 Allez Elite mit der SRAM
Thanks everyone for the (mostly) helpful insights.
I have decided to buy her a new helmet. She'll be 3 in a few weeks, so it is going to be one of her birghday presents. Judging from the information given in the replies, the current helmet is *probably* fine. It's just for my peace of mind.
I have decided to buy her a new helmet. She'll be 3 in a few weeks, so it is going to be one of her birghday presents. Judging from the information given in the replies, the current helmet is *probably* fine. It's just for my peace of mind.
Little kids seem to really like the fun ones. I see a lot of kids her age wearing the ones with bunny ears and other funny decorations. And yeah, that peace of mind is as good a reason as any.
#3611
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From: New England
Bikes: Serotta Atlanta; 1994 Specialized Allez Pro; Giant OCR A1; SOMA Double Cross Disc; 2022 Allez Elite mit der SRAM
A few years ago, I was hit by a car, and my helmet didn't have a mark on it. Given that I was pretty much completely disoriented for about a minute after the crash and don't actually remember being hit, I could not say for certain whether or not I had struck something with my head. Sorry if you don't approve, but I did discard the helmet out of caution.
#3612
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From: Burlington Iowa
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Could somebody buy Johnny One-Note a new trumpet, please?
A few years ago, I was hit by a car, and my helmet didn't have a mark on it. Given that I was pretty much completely disoriented for about a minute after the crash and don't actually remember being hit, I could not say for certain whether or not I had struck something with my head. Sorry if you don't approve, but I did discard the helmet out of caution.
A few years ago, I was hit by a car, and my helmet didn't have a mark on it. Given that I was pretty much completely disoriented for about a minute after the crash and don't actually remember being hit, I could not say for certain whether or not I had struck something with my head. Sorry if you don't approve, but I did discard the helmet out of caution.
#3613
Newbie
Joined: Mar 2023
Posts: 33
Likes: 5
Basic Helmet Fit Guidance
I recently started cycling to do a triathlon. Don't have any LBS or other sporting goods stores around here. I went to Walmart (🫣
and none of the bike helmets fit well (I'm sure that's not surprising 😅
. IIRC they were all around $20-40, Schwinn, Bell, Zefal, and Ozark brands.
Didn't buy anything, but came back later bc I was too busy to go anywhere else and didn't know the first thing about finding the right helmet online.
It appears I have a long head and all these helmets are made for round heads. I bought the Schwinn, which I thought fit best, but it is only tight at the center of my forehead and at the back of my head. All of the helmets, the adjustable band part only went from the back of the head to near the ears, so it doesn't touch the front half of the head at all except at the center of the forehead. There's a gap at the sides of my head (all of the helmets had a gap, some nearly one inch on both sides). I either tighten the helmet so much that it hurts my forehead a lot, or it is tolerably tight but will jump around/become repositioned whenever I go over bumps (and there are a few sections with multiple bad tree root bumps on my usual route).
I'm in USA. Does anyone have suggestions on where I can find a (low budget option) better fitting bike helmet or have recommendations of brands/models? I do feel safer with a helmet, but I don't feel top of the line protection is essential bc I don't cycle that fast and I'm basically only on empty bike trails with no vehicle traffic.
and none of the bike helmets fit well (I'm sure that's not surprising 😅
. IIRC they were all around $20-40, Schwinn, Bell, Zefal, and Ozark brands.Didn't buy anything, but came back later bc I was too busy to go anywhere else and didn't know the first thing about finding the right helmet online.
It appears I have a long head and all these helmets are made for round heads. I bought the Schwinn, which I thought fit best, but it is only tight at the center of my forehead and at the back of my head. All of the helmets, the adjustable band part only went from the back of the head to near the ears, so it doesn't touch the front half of the head at all except at the center of the forehead. There's a gap at the sides of my head (all of the helmets had a gap, some nearly one inch on both sides). I either tighten the helmet so much that it hurts my forehead a lot, or it is tolerably tight but will jump around/become repositioned whenever I go over bumps (and there are a few sections with multiple bad tree root bumps on my usual route).
I'm in USA. Does anyone have suggestions on where I can find a (low budget option) better fitting bike helmet or have recommendations of brands/models? I do feel safer with a helmet, but I don't feel top of the line protection is essential bc I don't cycle that fast and I'm basically only on empty bike trails with no vehicle traffic.
#3614
Tragically Ignorant

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From: New England
Bikes: Serotta Atlanta; 1994 Specialized Allez Pro; Giant OCR A1; SOMA Double Cross Disc; 2022 Allez Elite mit der SRAM
Got it. All that your anecdote proves is that you also are susceptible to marketing induced caution/just to be safe suspicions and conjecture. I could care less if you choose to discard serviceable stuff, replace it with equally serviceable stuff and believe that makes you safer.
No, it demonstrates that I really don't have confidence in my ability to determine whether foam has been compressed when I definitely had been knocked unconscious while wearing the helmet. It's adorable that you think that's susceptibility to marketing. My handlebars were quite mangled by the crash, for all I know that helmet may already have saved my skull and brain from serious damage. I have literally no idea how my head was oriented when I hit the ground,
#3615
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From: Burlington Iowa
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No, it demonstrates that I really don't have confidence in my ability to determine whether foam has been compressed when I definitely had been knocked unconscious while wearing the helmet. It's adorable that you think that's susceptibility to marketing. My handlebars were quite mangled by the crash, for all I know that helmet may already have saved my skull and brain from serious damage. I have literally no idea how my head was oriented when I hit the ground,
#3616
Tragically Ignorant

Joined: Jun 2018
Posts: 15,593
Likes: 9,109
From: New England
Bikes: Serotta Atlanta; 1994 Specialized Allez Pro; Giant OCR A1; SOMA Double Cross Disc; 2022 Allez Elite mit der SRAM
You must still be disoriented from your collision if you can't tell by eyeball and fingers if the foam has been compressed. If infinitesimally minute "invisible" compression were a credible safety factor what gives you confidence that any and every helmet that has been handled at all since leaving the assembly line (if not before) doesn't suffer from such a defect?
There is a small chance that the helmet I buy off the shelf is defective in a way that is hard to detect. I updated the probability of that based on the fact of it going through the crash. I determined that the risk of it no longer being properly functional outweighed the relatively light cost of replacing it (I pay about $50-60 for my helmets). Get someone to explain Bayesian probability to you.
#3617
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Joined: Mar 2023
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I recently started cycling to do a triathlon. Don't have any LBS or other sporting goods stores around here. I went to Walmart (🫣
and none of the bike helmets fit well (I'm sure that's not surprising 😅
. IIRC they were all around $20-40, Schwinn, Bell, Zefal, and Ozark brands.
Didn't buy anything, but came back later bc I was too busy to go anywhere else and didn't know the first thing about finding the right helmet online.
It appears I have a long head and all these helmets are made for round heads. I bought the Schwinn, which I thought fit best, but it is only tight at the center of my forehead and at the back of my head. All of the helmets, the adjustable band part only went from the back of the head to near the ears, so it doesn't touch the front half of the head at all except at the center of the forehead. There's a gap at the sides of my head (all of the helmets had a gap, some nearly one inch on both sides). I either tighten the helmet so much that it hurts my forehead a lot, or it is tolerably tight but will jump around/become repositioned whenever I go over bumps (and there are a few sections with multiple bad tree root bumps on my usual route).
I'm in USA. Does anyone have suggestions on where I can find a (low budget option) better fitting bike helmet or have recommendations of brands/models? I do feel safer with a helmet, but I don't feel top of the line protection is essential bc I don't cycle that fast and I'm basically only on empty bike trails with no vehicle traffic.
and none of the bike helmets fit well (I'm sure that's not surprising 😅
. IIRC they were all around $20-40, Schwinn, Bell, Zefal, and Ozark brands.Didn't buy anything, but came back later bc I was too busy to go anywhere else and didn't know the first thing about finding the right helmet online.
It appears I have a long head and all these helmets are made for round heads. I bought the Schwinn, which I thought fit best, but it is only tight at the center of my forehead and at the back of my head. All of the helmets, the adjustable band part only went from the back of the head to near the ears, so it doesn't touch the front half of the head at all except at the center of the forehead. There's a gap at the sides of my head (all of the helmets had a gap, some nearly one inch on both sides). I either tighten the helmet so much that it hurts my forehead a lot, or it is tolerably tight but will jump around/become repositioned whenever I go over bumps (and there are a few sections with multiple bad tree root bumps on my usual route).
I'm in USA. Does anyone have suggestions on where I can find a (low budget option) better fitting bike helmet or have recommendations of brands/models? I do feel safer with a helmet, but I don't feel top of the line protection is essential bc I don't cycle that fast and I'm basically only on empty bike trails with no vehicle traffic.
this was my helmet post. I didn't want to reply in the other post because I didn't want to get in trouble for having a helmet conversation there lol.
Thank you for the suggestions that you made. A helmet liner or padding solutions may be helpful. I'll look into the brand you recommended as well.
I do feel all the helmets were too round (and maybe they were slightly big in general, but the adjustable band at least made them snug in the back of my head and painfully tight at the center of my forehead.
I've read about "round" vs "long" helmets online, so I thought a "long" helmet might be a better solution for me, but was hoping for some people with experience looking for "long" shaped helmets.
#3618
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Joined: Jul 2017
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How many people in the Netherlands wear helmets??
I don't wear a helmet. They're uncomfortable. Unnecessary, unless your going 60mph downhill in the Tour De France. Limit peripheral vision. (Sorry I'm not about to read all of the post on this threads, but that's my 2 cents.)
#3619
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If one takes the bother to read accident fatalities with bicyclists one will quickly learn that they die as a result of head trauma. If one does not want their first accident to be their last then spending $50 on a bike helmet is a smart move. New helmets provide good protection and good ventilation and UV protection at moderate cost. A helmet can also increase visibility so a motorist can see the cyclists soon and avoid a collision.
A friend that I introduced to cycling did not like to wear a helmet as it messed up her hair. The first day on her new bike she applied the front brake to tightly and flipped the bike and she struck her head hard on the pavement. After that incident she had no problem with wearing a helmet.
I am not in favor of everyone using a helmet (or a seat belt) as sometimes the gene pool needs garbage removal.
A friend that I introduced to cycling did not like to wear a helmet as it messed up her hair. The first day on her new bike she applied the front brake to tightly and flipped the bike and she struck her head hard on the pavement. After that incident she had no problem with wearing a helmet.
I am not in favor of everyone using a helmet (or a seat belt) as sometimes the gene pool needs garbage removal.
#3620
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Joined: Jul 2017
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If one takes the bother to read accident fatalities with bicyclists one will quickly learn that they die as a result of head trauma. If one does not want their first accident to be their last then spending $50 on a bike helmet is a smart move. New helmets provide good protection and good ventilation and UV protection at moderate cost. A helmet can also increase visibility so a motorist can see the cyclists soon and avoid a collision.
A friend that I introduced to cycling did not like to wear a helmet as it messed up her hair. The first day on her new bike she applied the front brake to tightly and flipped the bike and she struck her head hard on the pavement. After that incident she had no problem with wearing a helmet.
I am not in favor of everyone using a helmet (or a seat belt) as sometimes the gene pool needs garbage removal.
A friend that I introduced to cycling did not like to wear a helmet as it messed up her hair. The first day on her new bike she applied the front brake to tightly and flipped the bike and she struck her head hard on the pavement. After that incident she had no problem with wearing a helmet.
I am not in favor of everyone using a helmet (or a seat belt) as sometimes the gene pool needs garbage removal.
#3621
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Joined: Jul 2020
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From: Ellay
Bikes: 2002 Eddy Merckx Team SC Resto-Mod; 2019 Ibis Hakka MX; 2017 Spot Brand Ajax Belt Drive
Don't wear one if you don't want to, but your post is just factually incorrect. You can easily suffer head trauma at very low speeds. And any decent cycling helmet does not interfere even a tiny bit with your peripheral vision. Also, the new helmets are quite comfortable. But you do you.
#3622
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Don't wear one if you don't want to, but your post is just factually incorrect. You can easily suffer head trauma at very low speeds. And any decent cycling helmet does not interfere even a tiny bit with your peripheral vision. Also, the new helmets are quite comfortable. But you do you.
#3623
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From: TN
#3624
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According to this study in the Netherlands:
https://bmcpublichealth.biomedcentra...89-020-08544-5
For the general population helmet use is not cost-effective. They are cost-effective for the elderly since they are more susceptible to TBI. If prices of helmets were lower by 20%, they would be cost effective for the general population.
So it's close, according to this one study in 2020. Another point is that the Netherlands is considered the 2nd safest country in Europe for cyclists behind Denmark.
I'm America, we have Fahrenheit 451 style aggressive drivers so if I rode mostly on the road I would probably wear a helmet. I mostly ride on sidewalks and bike trails to avoid cars, so I feel less of a need to wear a helmet.
https://bmcpublichealth.biomedcentra...89-020-08544-5
For the general population helmet use is not cost-effective. They are cost-effective for the elderly since they are more susceptible to TBI. If prices of helmets were lower by 20%, they would be cost effective for the general population.
So it's close, according to this one study in 2020. Another point is that the Netherlands is considered the 2nd safest country in Europe for cyclists behind Denmark.
I'm America, we have Fahrenheit 451 style aggressive drivers so if I rode mostly on the road I would probably wear a helmet. I mostly ride on sidewalks and bike trails to avoid cars, so I feel less of a need to wear a helmet.
#3625
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From: SF Bay Area, East bay
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According to this study in the Netherlands:
https://bmcpublichealth.biomedcentra...89-020-08544-5
For the general population helmet use is not cost-effective. They are cost-effective for the elderly since they are more susceptible to TBI. If prices of helmets were lower by 20%, they would be cost effective for the general population.
So it's close, according to this one study in 2020. Another point is that the Netherlands is considered the 2nd safest country in Europe for cyclists behind Denmark.
I'm America, we have Fahrenheit 451 style aggressive drivers so if I rode mostly on the road I would probably wear a helmet. I mostly ride on sidewalks and bike trails to avoid cars, so I feel less of a need to wear a helmet.
https://bmcpublichealth.biomedcentra...89-020-08544-5
For the general population helmet use is not cost-effective. They are cost-effective for the elderly since they are more susceptible to TBI. If prices of helmets were lower by 20%, they would be cost effective for the general population.
So it's close, according to this one study in 2020. Another point is that the Netherlands is considered the 2nd safest country in Europe for cyclists behind Denmark.
I'm America, we have Fahrenheit 451 style aggressive drivers so if I rode mostly on the road I would probably wear a helmet. I mostly ride on sidewalks and bike trails to avoid cars, so I feel less of a need to wear a helmet.





