Shimano Compatibility question! Please help!
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Shimano Compatibility question! Please help!
I have a Peugot Sante, problem is that it is missing the rear derailleur and shift levers .I ended up buying the Shimano 600 levers + RD. Does anyone know if this convo will work?
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If the number of gears on the rear matches the number of gears that particular shifter was made for then the answer is probably. Is your DR of the same period as the Shimano 600 shifter? That increases your chances though many others will work both old and new.
I don't know if Shimano 600 was only 8 speed. If it's like other Shimano products, then name is just a tier level of their products. Every three or four years they improve that tier, sometimes by increasing the number of gears it'll handle. Some product tiers, like the Shimano 600 just get discontinued and new names take their place.
I don't know if Shimano 600 was only 8 speed. If it's like other Shimano products, then name is just a tier level of their products. Every three or four years they improve that tier, sometimes by increasing the number of gears it'll handle. Some product tiers, like the Shimano 600 just get discontinued and new names take their place.
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Sante? As in, fitted with Shimano Sante components?
If so, it's 7s, so hopefully you bought 7s levers. If so, you're good to go.
600 Ultegra (6400) is a good substitute. It came in 6s, 7s and 8s IIRC. Before that it was just called 600 (can't remember if there was indexed 6s or just friction), and after that it was just called Ultegra.
If so, it's 7s, so hopefully you bought 7s levers. If so, you're good to go.
600 Ultegra (6400) is a good substitute. It came in 6s, 7s and 8s IIRC. Before that it was just called 600 (can't remember if there was indexed 6s or just friction), and after that it was just called Ultegra.
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Sante is a bit of an orphan group with some DA and some Ultegra (600) elements but packaged with a specific image. What I don't remember is whether the rear der shared the first gen DA cable pull spec or the second gen pull ratio (as Ultegra and all other Shimano ders used for many years). Andy
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Doesn't matter since he has 600 levers and RD.
What matters is the 5mm 7s cog spacing.
BTW, Disraeli Gears says Sante was the first group to be 7s!
What matters is the 5mm 7s cog spacing.
BTW, Disraeli Gears says Sante was the first group to be 7s!
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Since Disraeli Gears state that the Sante group was dismissed for dilettante poseurs, their write-up seems to have a particular disdain for Dura Ace and they show none of the 7400 series which were the seminal derailleurs of Shimano index shifting (cable pull not-withstanding). I know Dura Ace 7 speed came out in the spring of 1987, because I decided to buy the 7400 (6 speed) deraileur and I was friction shifting. Sante probably came out at the same time. It was an excellent group, but pretty ugly as it yellowed and got dirty with age.
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Thanks a ton everyone! Looking at the RD it reads: RD-6401 VIA Shimano Japan
Integrated 8SIS. My guess is that this is a newer model? Not too sure what the levers are, cant find any numbers on them. Ill post pictures soon
Integrated 8SIS. My guess is that this is a newer model? Not too sure what the levers are, cant find any numbers on them. Ill post pictures soon
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The 8s RD will work on 7s if you have 7s shifters.
If you have 8s shifters, you should probably run 7/8ths of a cassette.
If you have 8s shifters, you should probably run 7/8ths of a cassette.
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Point being, the Sante hub isn't going to take an 8 speed cassette because they're HG and don't fit on a UG hub.
However, a Sante freehub could likely be changed to a 7 or 8 speed HG freehub body, if it is even a freehub - most of those bikes were freewheel.
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Right you are; I meant UG. There is no such thing as an IG cassette.
Point being, the Sante hub isn't going to take an 8 speed cassette because they're HG and don't fit on a UG hub.
However, a Sante freehub could likely be changed to a 7 or 8 speed HG freehub body, if it is even a freehub - most of those bikes were freewheel.
Point being, the Sante hub isn't going to take an 8 speed cassette because they're HG and don't fit on a UG hub.
However, a Sante freehub could likely be changed to a 7 or 8 speed HG freehub body, if it is even a freehub - most of those bikes were freewheel.
Mostly true- Sante came around when manufacturers were still switching from (universal fit) freewheels to (dedicated hub) cassettes. Since Sante was an orphan group (^^^I agree with Andy) it's hard to say, but the freewheels were definitely more popular in that time. That's probably because they were a cheaper alternative the Dura-Ace 7-speed freewheels.
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Mostly true- Sante came around when manufacturers were still switching from (universal fit) freewheels to (dedicated hub) cassettes. Since Sante was an orphan group (^^^I agree with Andy) it's hard to say, but the freewheels were definitely more popular in that time. That's probably because they were a cheaper alternative the Dura-Ace 7-speed freewheels.








