Shifter cables
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Shifter cables
I have always used bulk cables for my XT shifters (about $2, "prestretched" stainless cable) but recently got a sales pitch for coated brand-name shifter cables (about $12) which, I was told, will not stretch and will work better.
I have never been aware of a problem with generic cables. Am I missing something?
I have never been aware of a problem with generic cables. Am I missing something?
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I have always used bulk cables for my XT shifters (about $2, "prestretched" stainless cable) but recently got a sales pitch for coated brand-name shifter cables (about $12) which, I was told, will not stretch and will work better.
I have never been aware of a problem with generic cables. Am I missing something?
I have never been aware of a problem with generic cables. Am I missing something?
As for the cable not "stretching", that's probably just marketing. All of the cables are cut off a spool of pre-stretched cable but the action of cutting the cable releases a bit of tension on the cables and allows them to unwind a little. That's all cables. I have yet to run across a cable that doesn't need a bit of time to bed into place and thus need adjustment. I suspect the expensive fancy ones will need do the same. It's physics.
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I prefer die-drawn un-coated stainless cables in PTFE-lined housings. There is little if any difference in frictional coefficient between PTFE on steel and PTFE on PTFE, and I have found that the coated cables are difficult to clamp effectively and are prone to the coating peeling.
My understanding is that "stretching" is more of the cables bedding in to the housings than of the metal actually elongating. This even occurs when just replacing the inners; they have to wear their own groove into the housing.
My understanding is that "stretching" is more of the cables bedding in to the housings than of the metal actually elongating. This even occurs when just replacing the inners; they have to wear their own groove into the housing.
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I've used slick galvanized cables for decades with no issues. I like them because I prefer to solder the cut ends. I don't ride in snowy weather, though, so I can't really say if winter e=weather would change my mind.
FWIW, I doubt that cable stretch actually exists. May belief is that the cable housing ends bottom in the cable stops which makes the housings a little bit shorter.
FWIW, I doubt that cable stretch actually exists. May belief is that the cable housing ends bottom in the cable stops which makes the housings a little bit shorter.
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I've used slick galvanized cables for decades with no issues. I like them because I prefer to solder the cut ends. I don't ride in snowy weather, though, so I can't really say if winter e=weather would change my mind.
FWIW, I doubt that cable stretch actually exists. May belief is that the cable housing ends bottom in the cable stops which makes the housings a little bit shorter.
FWIW, I doubt that cable stretch actually exists. May belief is that the cable housing ends bottom in the cable stops which makes the housings a little bit shorter.
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I prefer die-drawn un-coated stainless cables in PTFE-lined housings. There is little if any difference in frictional coefficient between PTFE on steel and PTFE on PTFE, and I have found that the coated cables are difficult to clamp effectively and are prone to the coating peeling.
I've used slick galvanized cables for decades with no issues. I like them because I prefer to solder the cut ends. I don't ride in snowy weather, though, so I can't really say if winter e=weather would change my mind.
FWIW, I doubt that cable stretch actually exists. May belief is that the cable housing ends bottom in the cable stops which makes the housings a little bit shorter.
FWIW, I doubt that cable stretch actually exists. May belief is that the cable housing ends bottom in the cable stops which makes the housings a little bit shorter.
Cables of all varieties do stretch, from bridge cables to crane cables to bicycle cables. There is even a formula for calculation how much a cable will stretch under loads based on the load and the diameter of the cable.
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As I stated above, the main reason for using Teflon coated cables is to avoid corrosion of the cable when exposed to salt. Stainless isn't resistant to salt corrosion. I've pulled many cables out of housing that is lined but the cabling was coated in salt induced corrosion products.
I disagree. First, cables need adjustment after initial installation. That is a given. New inner cables always require some adjustment of cable tension. Others have suggested that the cable tension adjustment is due to the outer cable settling into the ferrules but cable tension adjustments are always needed even if you are using old housing. The simplest explanation for new cables needing tension readjustment is elongation of the wire cable as the cable strands twist slightly tighter when put under tension.
Cables of all varieties do stretch, from bridge cables to crane cables to bicycle cables. There is even a formula for calculation how much a cable will stretch under loads based on the load and the diameter of the cable.
I disagree. First, cables need adjustment after initial installation. That is a given. New inner cables always require some adjustment of cable tension. Others have suggested that the cable tension adjustment is due to the outer cable settling into the ferrules but cable tension adjustments are always needed even if you are using old housing. The simplest explanation for new cables needing tension readjustment is elongation of the wire cable as the cable strands twist slightly tighter when put under tension.
Cables of all varieties do stretch, from bridge cables to crane cables to bicycle cables. There is even a formula for calculation how much a cable will stretch under loads based on the load and the diameter of the cable.
I try to compensate for the bed-in type of elongation by pulling firmly on the cables before making my initial shifting adjustments. I usually works so only very minor adjustments are needed after the first ride.
BTW, if you do use teflon coated cables, be certain to scrape the coating completely off where the cable clamps to the derailleur. Otherwise the cable WILL slip no matter how much you tighten the clamp bolt.
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Well, we have to separate elongation under load (elastic deformation) from a permanent slight elongation when a new cable is first put into service as the strands bed-in against each other and/or settle into the end ferrules. The first type occurs with every shift and is automatically compensated for while the second type occurs initially and is why minor adjustments to the cable "tension" are needed for the first ride or two after a new cable is installed.
I've never had a problem with the cable anchoring properly. The teflon coating is very thin and teflon, while slick, is also soft and deforms easily under pressure. I don't use noticeably more pressure on the anchor cable and my Teflon coated cables aren't overly deformed at the pinch bolt over uncoated cables.
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Die drawing the cable after it is made up slicks the outer surface of the cable, by flattening the metal.
helps reduce the friction the return spring , at the back end , has to work against..
helps reduce the friction the return spring , at the back end , has to work against..
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I've never had a problem with the cable anchoring properly. The teflon coating is very thin and teflon, while slick, is also soft and deforms easily under pressure. I don't use noticeably more pressure on the anchor cable and my Teflon coated cables aren't overly deformed at the pinch bolt over uncoated cables.
It's something to watch out for.
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What's the effect of non-elastic cable stretch? You have to turn a barrel adjuster occasionally.
What else causes the barrel adjuster to need turning? Wear in the shifter and derailleur, wear in the housing, etc. So eliminating stretch slightly reduces the need to occasionally turn a barrel adjuster. It's your money.
What else causes the barrel adjuster to need turning? Wear in the shifter and derailleur, wear in the housing, etc. So eliminating stretch slightly reduces the need to occasionally turn a barrel adjuster. It's your money.
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I use Jagwire Teflon coated cables on every bike I have and the bikes I've built for my daughters. Never a slipped cable.
Barrel adjustments are a rare occurrence for me. YMMV
Barrel adjustments are a rare occurrence for me. YMMV
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Good, drawn stainless steel cables work very well but I do like some of the higher end cable options; they do feel just a bit slicker. The newer Shimano optislick works well and doesn't shed like their earlier PTFE cables.I have some Bontrager branded coated cables on my road bike that feel great. Maybe my favorite is the polish ground Jagwire pro cables. No coating, just really really polished exterior.







