this bike is made in taiwan man I was under the impression it was american by there web site .that's what kinda was makin me lean toward the bike I have two older treks but was thinking to buy american or french since there the bike gurus I want the jamis ventura race to ride

Punctuation is your friend.


No, Jamis is just another American brand that's sold its soul to Madison Ave. and cheap Chinese labor.
When I first perused their site, I was also under the impression they were a small USA made operation.

At least they are less costly than the Trek or Specialized counterpart, without cheaping on quality to do so.

I love this response, oh so subtle.

hey thanks for the respose I guess I just need to suck up our international market!! I assume only schwinn is left or did they sell out ? The bad thing is we cant afford a 30 dollar an hour american to put chains on

Schwinn? Schwinn has been chinese-made bikes since the 90's.

Trek makes most of its over $800 bikes in the US (so I've read) and Cannondale makes I think the majority of their bikes in the US. Beyond that I don't know of major manufacturers that make their bikes here.

Most bikes are made in taiwan or china.

Bought a Jamis fat tire city bike in 1985 - made in Taiwan, I think.

Not quite. Punctuation is your reader's friend.

Note to the OP: Where do you think almost all French nameplate bikes are really made?

Yeah, that's a good one. By the late '80's, approximately 80% of Schwinn's frames were built by Giant in Taiwan. Not that they're bad bikes.......FWIW, Schwinn's Chicago manufacturing plant shut down in 1983, and the Greenville, Mississippi Schwinn plant shut down in 1991. Schwinn was bleeding red ink, and went bankrupt. I'm not sure if there's been an American made Schwinn, aside from the higher end Waterford-built and Serotta-built models, since the Greenville plant shut down in '91.

Lordy, are you guys tellin' me that my 3 year old Bianchi Vigorelli wasn't made in Italy?

I do have a 30 year old Bertin from France.

What does the frame label on the Bianchi say?

Also, 30 years ago Schwinns were built in the USA, French bikes were built in France and Italian bikes were built in (wait for it...) ITALY!

Don't forget that HUFFY bought Schwinn!

Well, except the ones that were built in Japan (Travelers, Voyageurs, le tours, Volares...)

The frames and components coming out of Taiwan, and now China, CAN be of very high quality. Crap bike components can come from ANYWHERE- China, Taiwan, Italy, and yes, the USA. These days, people need to look beyond borders because this is indeed a global economy and workplace.

Giants are made in Taiwan and they make some mighty fine bikes (got 2 TCR Compites myself), even rebrand many models as Specialized. Nothing wrong with cheap Chinese labor if the end result is a quality product. Global economy, baby. Never thought I'd be wearing a Nike shoe made in 'Nam.

+1 for ****s sake.

People on this forum need to learn that Taiwan is not the same as China. Country of origin should be disregarded in terms of product quality. A product should be evaluated on it's own properties.

I have no problem with the country of origin of a quality product. I take issue with certain companies that market themselves as a particular domestic entity wholly promoting themselves as patriotic, have their manufacturing base generations past now long gone...when the inventory is simply ordered out of a catalog and a vinyl sticker slapped onto it.
Come on, admit the irony of a Bianchi headtube crest, with a Made in Taiwan sticker beneath it.

Jamis' carbon frames are so much more advanced than Treks its not even funny. If you want to talk about misrepresentation look no further than Trek. They go around buying up every independent company they can get their hands on and pass off a lugged carbon frame as some kind of advanced technology. They spend all their money on sponshiships, advertising, and lawsuits, and rip off their frame styles from Orbea. (If this doesnt make sense to you take a look at the past few model years of the Orca vs. the Madone.) Anyone who has ever dealt with Jamis knows that they're an awesome company who puts a crap load of time and thought into their bikes. They have great people working for them and their customer service is the best in the business. Taiwan makes good stuff whether you want to believe it or not. Buy a Trek if you want to support the biggest scam in the bicycle industry.

ok well in 85 I was supposed to be graduating but thought working for the army was a better idea. so I missed the whole schwinn era

I believe you I think the whole lance thing is why I am not thrilled about trek anymore what I mean is they always take the product being used by the best player and market and sell a watered down version to us little people and I want them to know theres a lot more educated consumers that they think..not that they care but thats why I'm askin questions to lean where to better spend my 1000 bucks.If anyone dont believe the watered down version ask someone knowledgable in the golf industry. you think the clubs tiger uses are the nikies you buy off the shelf? there is one lpga girl I know personally and she has cleveland head covers for advertising but refuses to use there clubs she dont like them but I bet young girls everywhere are buying them.

Most running shoes, athletic shoes (football, basketball, soccer, hiking) are made in the Far East (China, Vietnam, etc.). Funny you don't hear sports persons complaining about workmanship of their shoes.

Remember when Air Jordans came out?

In Trek's case with their OCLV frames that isn't true. The top line over-the-counter OCLV's are identical the the frames Postal/Discovery rode.

As noted earlier, proper capitalization and punctuation would make your stuff a lot easier on your readers.

Jamis is a Canadian company.

Cervelo is a Canadian company. But I think all their bike frames are from the Far East. The discontinued models: Renaissance and Prodigy were the steel frames from Columbus. But I don't know where those tubes were welded, painted, etc.

as noted earlier I didn't finish school are you a friging english teacher?

No, but I'm trying to be an English reader. You aren't making it easy.