Go Back  Bike Forums > Bike Forums > Bicycle Mechanics
Reload this Page >

Is this a cracked rim????

Search
Notices
Bicycle Mechanics Broken bottom bracket? Tacoed wheel? If you're having problems with your bicycle, or just need help fixing a flat, drop in here for the latest on bicycle mechanics & bicycle maintenance.

Is this a cracked rim????

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 05-21-14 | 08:07 PM
  #1  
rdlange's Avatar
Thread Starter
Junior Member
 
Joined: Mar 2012
Posts: 139
Likes: 11
From: Houston, TX

Bikes: '76 Peugeot Mixte UE-18, Bridgestone 'Submariner' picklefork mixte, Bridgestone KABUKI picklefork mixte, TREK MT220

Is this a cracked rim????

Weinmann/Etro 622x15 alloy rim. Is this a crack or just a 'joint' in the rim? not very great camera. thanks.

Attached Images
File Type: jpg
DSCN2754.jpg (100.1 KB, 134 views)
rdlange is offline  
Reply
Old 05-21-14 | 08:09 PM
  #2  
bhchdh's Avatar
Senior Member
Titanium Club Membership
20 Anniversary
 
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 1,787
Likes: 1
From: Hampton Roads VA

Bikes: '07 Trek 520, '09 Gary Fisher Triton, '04 Trek 8000, '85 Trek 500, '84 Trek 610, '85 Trek 510, '88 Trek 660, '92 Trek 930, Trek Multitrack 700

Joint
bhchdh is offline  
Reply
Old 05-21-14 | 08:17 PM
  #3  
JanMM's Avatar
rebmeM roineS
20 Anniversary
 
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 16,231
Likes: 366
From: Metro Indy, IN

Bikes: Bacchetta Giro A20, RANS V-Rex, RANS Screamer

Absolutely.
__________________
Bacchetta Giro A20, RANS V-Rex, RANS Screamer
JanMM is offline  
Reply
Old 05-21-14 | 08:21 PM
  #4  
Andrew R Stewart's Avatar
Senior Member
Titanium Club Membership
10 Anniversary
 
Joined: Feb 2012
Posts: 19,373
Likes: 5,515
From: Rochester, NY

Bikes: Stewart S&S coupled sport tourer, Stewart Sunday light, Stewart Commuting, Stewart Touring, Co Motion Tandem, Stewart 3-Spd, Stewart Track, Fuji Finest, Mongoose Tomac ATB, GT Bravado ATB, JCP Folder, Stewart 650B ATB

Actually both. The joint in this case is also a crack as it's not been welded together. Andy.
Andrew R Stewart is offline  
Reply
Old 05-21-14 | 08:26 PM
  #5  
rdlange's Avatar
Thread Starter
Junior Member
 
Joined: Mar 2012
Posts: 139
Likes: 11
From: Houston, TX

Bikes: '76 Peugeot Mixte UE-18, Bridgestone 'Submariner' picklefork mixte, Bridgestone KABUKI picklefork mixte, TREK MT220

"Joint, absolutely, actually it's both". Means nothing to me. COME ON FOLKS, WHICH ONE? Be clear. Is the wheel damaged? Or just cosmetically odd looking. I've been riding on it and went to change tires and saw it. So really, lets have something exact. Can I use it or need to replace. thanks.

Last edited by rdlange; 05-21-14 at 08:45 PM.
rdlange is offline  
Reply
Old 05-21-14 | 08:51 PM
  #6  
ClarkinHawaii's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 1,701
Likes: 0
From: Wahiawa. Oahu
It's ok to use.
ClarkinHawaii is offline  
Reply
Old 05-21-14 | 08:55 PM
  #7  
awfulwaffle's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Joined: Jul 2013
Posts: 539
Likes: 2
From: Novi, MI

Bikes: Franken-mountain bike, mid-90s Performance TR1000, 1990 Cannondale ST400

Yep, just the joint. I've got 2 sets of Sun Rhyno Lite rims, each of which has a visible joint just like that. They weren't very apparent at first, but as I put miles on the wheels they became noticeable. One wheelset has been retired to backup status, the other still being used on trails. With my 225 lb butt riding over rocks and roots, if it was a problem the rims would have come apart by now.
awfulwaffle is offline  
Reply
Old 05-21-14 | 09:03 PM
  #8  
Senior Member
Titanium Club Membership
15 Anniversary
 
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 39,897
Likes: 3,865
From: New Rochelle, NY

Bikes: too many bikes from 1967 10s (5x2)Frejus to a Sumitomo Ti/Chorus aluminum 10s (10x2), plus one non-susp mtn bike I use as my commuter

It's a joint.

Be real, you already knew the answer, but didn't take a moment to think.

What are the odds of a perfectly straight and square crack occurring exactly centered between 2 spokes opposite the valve?
__________________
FB
Chain-L site

An ounce of diagnosis is worth a pound of cure.

Just because I'm tired of arguing, doesn't mean you're right.

“One accurate measurement is worth a thousand expert opinions” - Adm Grace Murray Hopper - USN

WARNING, I'm from New York. Thin skinned people should maintain safe distance.

Last edited by FBinNY; 05-21-14 at 09:06 PM.
FBinNY is offline  
Reply
Old 05-21-14 | 10:59 PM
  #9  
Andrew R Stewart's Avatar
Senior Member
Titanium Club Membership
10 Anniversary
 
Joined: Feb 2012
Posts: 19,373
Likes: 5,515
From: Rochester, NY

Bikes: Stewart S&S coupled sport tourer, Stewart Sunday light, Stewart Commuting, Stewart Touring, Co Motion Tandem, Stewart 3-Spd, Stewart Track, Fuji Finest, Mongoose Tomac ATB, GT Bravado ATB, JCP Folder, Stewart 650B ATB

As Francis says. Do you not recognize the smiley face after my post? A crack is a void/separation/gap/break (although not here) between two sides/ends/within a otherwise continuous piece. A crack can be intended or indication of failure. Andy.
Andrew R Stewart is offline  
Reply
Old 05-21-14 | 11:38 PM
  #10  
Senior Member
Titanium Club Membership
15 Anniversary
 
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 39,897
Likes: 3,865
From: New Rochelle, NY

Bikes: too many bikes from 1967 10s (5x2)Frejus to a Sumitomo Ti/Chorus aluminum 10s (10x2), plus one non-susp mtn bike I use as my commuter

Originally Posted by Andrew R Stewart
As Francis says. Do you not recognize the smiley face after my post? A crack is a void/separation/gap/break (although not here) between two sides/ends/within a otherwise continuous piece. A crack can be intended or indication of failure. Andy.
A crack can also be comment with a bit of intended irony. Very apt on this thread.

I won't make any cracks about joints here, though it's hard to resist.
__________________
FB
Chain-L site

An ounce of diagnosis is worth a pound of cure.

Just because I'm tired of arguing, doesn't mean you're right.

“One accurate measurement is worth a thousand expert opinions” - Adm Grace Murray Hopper - USN

WARNING, I'm from New York. Thin skinned people should maintain safe distance.
FBinNY is offline  
Reply
Old 05-22-14 | 12:31 AM
  #11  
Homebrew01's Avatar
Super Moderator
20 Anniversary
 
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 21,987
Likes: 1,169
From: Ffld Cnty Connecticut

Bikes: Old Steelies I made, Old Cannondales

In some places, crack is illegal, while joints are legal.
__________________
Bikes: Old steel race bikes, old Cannondale race bikes, less old Cannondale race bike, crappy old mtn bike.

FYI: https://www.bikeforums.net/forum-sugg...ad-please.html
Homebrew01 is offline  
Reply
Old 05-22-14 | 08:21 AM
  #12  
BikeWise1's Avatar
30 YR Wrench
 
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 2,006
Likes: 4
From: Oxford, OH

Bikes: Waterford R-33, Madone 6.5, Trek 520

Originally Posted by rdlange
Weinmann/Etro 622x15 alloy rim. Is this a crack or just a 'joint' in the rim? not very great camera. thanks.

How, exactly do you think they make rims?

Two ways to join an extrusion. Pinning-like yours, or welding like this:

How Bike Rims Are Made | adventure journal
BikeWise1 is offline  
Reply
Old 05-22-14 | 08:25 AM
  #13  
RPK79's Avatar
Custom User Title
 
Joined: May 2013
Posts: 11,239
Likes: 35
From: SE MN

Bikes: Fuji Roubaix Pro & Quintana Roo Kilo

Originally Posted by BikeWise1
How, exactly do you think they make rims?

Two ways to join an extrusion. Pinning-like yours, or welding like this:

How Bike Rims Are Made | adventure journal
You mean they're not cast in a solid loop?
RPK79 is offline  
Reply
Old 05-22-14 | 08:32 AM
  #14  
Senior Member
 
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 33,657
Likes: 1,119
From: Pittsburgh, PA

Bikes: '96 Litespeed Catalyst, '05 Litespeed Firenze, '06 Litespeed Tuscany, '20 Surly Midnight Special, All are 3x10. It is hilly around here!

Originally Posted by rdlange
"Joint, absolutely, actually it's both". Means nothing to me. COME ON FOLKS, WHICH ONE? Be clear. Is the wheel damaged? Or just cosmetically odd looking. I've been riding on it and went to change tires and saw it. So really, lets have something exact. Can I use it or need to replace. thanks.
It's a JOINT!!!. Is that clear enough? Andy's comment was facetious but what he meant was that that joint is also an intentional separation in the rim since the joint is pinned, not welded.
HillRider is offline  
Reply
Old 05-22-14 | 08:32 AM
  #15  
BikeWise1's Avatar
30 YR Wrench
 
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 2,006
Likes: 4
From: Oxford, OH

Bikes: Waterford R-33, Madone 6.5, Trek 520

Originally Posted by RPK79
You mean they're not cast in a solid loop?
You're kidding, right?
BikeWise1 is offline  
Reply
Old 05-22-14 | 08:34 AM
  #16  
RPK79's Avatar
Custom User Title
 
Joined: May 2013
Posts: 11,239
Likes: 35
From: SE MN

Bikes: Fuji Roubaix Pro & Quintana Roo Kilo

Originally Posted by BikeWise1
You're kidding, right?
Yes.
RPK79 is offline  
Reply
Old 05-22-14 | 08:46 AM
  #17  
BikeWise1's Avatar
30 YR Wrench
 
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 2,006
Likes: 4
From: Oxford, OH

Bikes: Waterford R-33, Madone 6.5, Trek 520

Originally Posted by RPK79
Yes.
Having been in this business for 30 years, nothing surprises me. hahaha

I've had customers think the most outlandish things!
BikeWise1 is offline  
Reply
Old 05-22-14 | 08:52 AM
  #18  
Senior Member
15 Anniversary
 
Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 2,977
Likes: 780
Originally Posted by RPK79
You mean they're not cast in a solid loop?
They are machined from a solid chunk of billet.
02Giant is offline  
Reply
Old 05-22-14 | 08:57 AM
  #19  
RPK79's Avatar
Custom User Title
 
Joined: May 2013
Posts: 11,239
Likes: 35
From: SE MN

Bikes: Fuji Roubaix Pro & Quintana Roo Kilo

Originally Posted by 02Giant
They are machined from a solid chunk of billet.
That makes more sense!
RPK79 is offline  
Reply
Old 05-22-14 | 09:25 AM
  #20  
Senior Member
 
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 8,687
Likes: 300
Originally Posted by Homebrew01
In some places, crack is illegal, while joints are legal.
My joints crack, if I've sat still long. Does that make ME illegal? Or is it OK as long as I refrain from bending?
dabac is offline  
Reply
Old 05-22-14 | 09:30 AM
  #21  
Senior Member
 
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 3,135
Likes: 108
From: Middle of the road, NJ
Originally Posted by 02Giant
They are machined from a solid chunk of billet.
All joking aside, that is an interesting concept.
leob1 is offline  
Reply
Old 05-22-14 | 09:43 AM
  #22  
Homebrew01's Avatar
Super Moderator
20 Anniversary
 
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 21,987
Likes: 1,169
From: Ffld Cnty Connecticut

Bikes: Old Steelies I made, Old Cannondales

Originally Posted by leob1
All joking aside, that is an interesting concept.
As in how can we make rims that waste the most material ?
__________________
Bikes: Old steel race bikes, old Cannondale race bikes, less old Cannondale race bike, crappy old mtn bike.

FYI: https://www.bikeforums.net/forum-sugg...ad-please.html
Homebrew01 is offline  
Reply
Old 05-22-14 | 09:49 AM
  #23  
Senior Member
 
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 3,135
Likes: 108
From: Middle of the road, NJ
Originally Posted by Homebrew01
As in how can we make rims that waste the most material ?
I said interesting concept, not easy, practible, cheap, lighweight, etc.
You could machine just the rim, or a disk, or anything in between. Interesting.
leob1 is offline  
Reply
Old 05-22-14 | 10:02 AM
  #24  
mrrabbit's Avatar
Senior Member
Titanium Club Membership
15 Anniversary
 
Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 3,518
Likes: 40
From: San Jose, California

Bikes: 2001 Tommasini Sintesi w/ Campagnolo Daytona 10 Speed

BikeForums is a joint where everyone is cracked!

=8-)
__________________
5000+ wheels built since 1984...

Disclaimer:

1. I do not claim to be an expert in bicycle mechanics despite my experience.
2. I like anyone will comment in other areas.
3. I do not own the preexisting concepts of DISH and ERD.
4. I will provide information as I always have to others that I believe will help them protect themselves from unscrupulous mechanics.
5. My all time favorite book is:

Kahane, Howard. Logic and Contemporary Rhetoric: The Use of Reason in Everyday Life
mrrabbit is offline  
Reply
Old 05-22-14 | 10:28 AM
  #25  
SquidPuppet's Avatar
Calamari Marionette Ph.D
 
Joined: Dec 2013
Posts: 7,861
Likes: 41
From: Coeur d' Alene

Bikes: 3 Chinese Gas Pipe Nerdcycles and 2 Chicago Electroforged Boat Anchors

Originally Posted by 02Giant
They are machined from a solid chunk of billet.
It must be a big lathe.
SquidPuppet is offline  
Reply


Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service -

Copyright © 2026 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.