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You are 100% there on the addiction thing. As a semi-newbie to C-V myself, I've definitely felt that happen. I defer to the other posts about which of those bikes to choose, but I will say not to rule out the idea of finding and fixing one back up. In a relatively short time (with a huge help of these supportive forums and great information out there) I managed to climb the bike ladder to a frame I had been hoping to find, then did find, only to have to undo a lot of the wrongs done by the past owner(s). The learning curve is quick, and I've found the great thing about C-V bikes is that the value is pretty stable and easy to boost, so if you buy a bike today, ride it for a month and decide it isn't right, if you've taken care of it, rehabbed it, you can get your money out of it to do the same with a different bike, customizing along the way if need be. Although, I have found as others on here often allude, letting go of some is easier said than done...
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You are 100% there on the addiction thing. As a semi-newbie to C-V myself, I've definitely felt that happen. I defer to the other posts about which of those bikes to choose, but I will say not to rule out the idea of finding and fixing one back up. In a relatively short time (with a huge help of these supportive forums and great information out there) I managed to climb the bike ladder to a frame I had been hoping to find, then did find, only to have to undo a lot of the wrongs done by the past owner(s). The learning curve is quick, and I've found the great thing about C-V bikes is that the value is pretty stable and easy to boost, so if you buy a bike today, ride it for a month and decide it isn't right, if you've taken care of it, rehabbed it, you can get your money out of it to do the same with a different bike, customizing along the way if need be. Although, I have found as others on here often allude, letting go of some is easier said than done...
. I hope to have 20 bicycles eventually! All with their own character and their own unique little things that make 'em special to me.
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My 2 cents: Get the Panasonic. Like Grand Bois, I don't like the look of the unicrown fork, but it will be a very nice riding bike. Fit is personal, obviously, but if you're a normally-proportioned 5'11", I would not ride anything smaller than a 57 or 58. Sharing a bike with someone who is three inches shorter than you makes no sense. Old bikes are cheap if you look long enough--keep looking and find one in your girlfriend's proper size
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My 2 cents: Get the Panasonic. Like Grand Bois, I don't like the look of the unicrown fork, but it will be a very nice riding bike. Fit is personal, obviously, but if you're a normally-proportioned 5'11", I would not ride anything smaller than a 57 or 58. Sharing a bike with someone who is three inches shorter than you makes no sense. Old bikes are cheap if you look long enough--keep looking and find one in your girlfriend's proper size
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Found this Basso Ascot. Looks very interesting although a little pricey.
https://atlanta.craigslist.org/nat/bik/4146637845.html
https://atlanta.craigslist.org/nat/bik/4146637845.html
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As the OP has made it clear that they intend to post various CL finds for input (and valuation is part of it), it was decided to move this thread to C & V Appraisals from C & V.
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Found this Basso Ascot. Looks very interesting although a little pricey.
https://atlanta.craigslist.org/nat/bik/4146637845.html
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If it had new grease, cables, good tires and brake pads, I'd say this one may not be too pricey. And I can't make out the groupset from these pics, and that'll make a difference. But you probably will have to do a few things. Looks like it's in reasonably good shape, though. But it's always hard to tell with these type of pics. Need to see it in person.
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Thanks for the info. Really dig your ex-panasonic! The guy called and he seems very intereted in selling the bike, or he might just be a nice person. He said the bike is 57cm which is large. It is supposed to be in pristine conditions and rides like new. I really like it. My fiancee not so much. If I could get it for a good deal I wouldn't mind getting this one and another one further down the road. I assume I could probably pay 225-250 for this panasonic which doesn't seem bad to me.
I am 5'11". Dont know my inseam or arm length but ride a 56cm Roubaix with a shortened 100mm 7 degree stem (110mm factory). I have a pretty "normal" composition. I'd say probably a 33 inseam. My fiancee is 5'7" and change. she has a very long torso but long legs as well. Not sure where she would fall and telling you she has an hour glass shape probably doesn't do anything...
This is what I will do if my roubaix survives the racing seasons. She is already a little banged up but, hey, they are meant to be ridden.
This is awesome. I'll dig in! thanks
lol, I am afraid it's gonna happen like it did with my motorcycles. I had a 2013 Ducati with traction control, abs, blah blah blah and ended up falling in love with a 1997 ducati 748. Old, slow, bulky and clanky BUT with tons of caracter and soul!... I miss that bike so much, it's been at the repair shop for months!! Can't wait to ride a "proper" steel bike
I am 5'11". Dont know my inseam or arm length but ride a 56cm Roubaix with a shortened 100mm 7 degree stem (110mm factory). I have a pretty "normal" composition. I'd say probably a 33 inseam. My fiancee is 5'7" and change. she has a very long torso but long legs as well. Not sure where she would fall and telling you she has an hour glass shape probably doesn't do anything...
This is what I will do if my roubaix survives the racing seasons. She is already a little banged up but, hey, they are meant to be ridden.
This is awesome. I'll dig in! thanks
lol, I am afraid it's gonna happen like it did with my motorcycles. I had a 2013 Ducati with traction control, abs, blah blah blah and ended up falling in love with a 1997 ducati 748. Old, slow, bulky and clanky BUT with tons of caracter and soul!
... I miss that bike so much, it's been at the repair shop for months!! Can't wait to ride a "proper" steel bikeBest thing to do is ride it and see. Hope it works out.
11-07-13, 06:36 PM
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Let us know when you get something! I agree with others that of the ones you've posted so far, the Panasonic is probably the best bang for the buck. I like French bikes, but that Peugeot is pretty low-end and overpriced. I don't actually find Peugeots very interesting until you get into the better models.
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I am going to take a look at it saturday. It seems like a good buy. I cant wait to take it for a spin
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There is also this one but it goes beyond what I'd like to spend for a panasonic.. In that range I could probably get a campy bike, no?
https://atlanta.craigslist.org/nat/bik/4066632290.html
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Don't worry about Japanese components vs Campy. Not yet.
Panasonic has its own unique story: it was a tiny division of the electronics giant, which only existed because Mr Matsu****a (and BF's bots are sure to **** part of his name) had loved bicycles since he was a boy, and wanted to have his own bike company. I am pretty sure this project was neither profitable nor expected to be. Panasonic is one of those makes, like Miyata, that you can search the archives of BF for, and never see a discouraging word.
Japanese bikes are an excellent gateway drug to C&V, at the very least. You may find you need go no further.
Panasonic has its own unique story: it was a tiny division of the electronics giant, which only existed because Mr Matsu****a (and BF's bots are sure to **** part of his name) had loved bicycles since he was a boy, and wanted to have his own bike company. I am pretty sure this project was neither profitable nor expected to be. Panasonic is one of those makes, like Miyata, that you can search the archives of BF for, and never see a discouraging word.
Japanese bikes are an excellent gateway drug to C&V, at the very least. You may find you need go no further.
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Don't worry about Japanese components vs Campy. Not yet.
Panasonic has its own unique story: it was a tiny division of the electronics giant, which only existed because Mr Matsu****a (and BF's bots are sure to **** part of his name) had loved bicycles since he was a boy, and wanted to have his own bike company. I am pretty sure this project was neither profitable nor expected to be. Panasonic is one of those makes, like Miyata, that you can search the archives of BF for, and never see a discouraging word.
Japanese bikes are an excellent gateway drug to C&V, at the very least. You may find you need go no further.
Panasonic has its own unique story: it was a tiny division of the electronics giant, which only existed because Mr Matsu****a (and BF's bots are sure to **** part of his name) had loved bicycles since he was a boy, and wanted to have his own bike company. I am pretty sure this project was neither profitable nor expected to be. Panasonic is one of those makes, like Miyata, that you can search the archives of BF for, and never see a discouraging word.
Japanese bikes are an excellent gateway drug to C&V, at the very least. You may find you need go no further.
It makes it more of a compelling buy. So in the end it is a pretty unique bike that rides well?
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I don't even know, I haven't ridden one! They are pretty rare. The company must have had a tiny US dealer network. But the few I've seen have been extremely well finished and equipped. And what other manufacturer had a custom paint program? Here is a bit more information, from a venerable bike shop that sold them:
https://www.yellowjersey.org/pana.html
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All considered for what the OP is looking for a great true C&V road bike at reasonable price. I will say I don't any of these bikes mostley not realy C&V and over priced.
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I don't even know, I haven't ridden one! They are pretty rare. The company must have had a tiny US dealer network. But the few I've seen have been extremely well finished and equipped. And what other manufacturer had a custom paint program? Here is a bit more information, from a venerable bike shop that sold them:
https://www.yellowjersey.org/pana.html
https://www.yellowjersey.org/pana.html
Could you give me a few names that could fall under your criteria for a true CV bike at a reasonable price?
After reading about the Panasonic I kinda already fell for it! What is a good price to pay for it?
And I thought I was getting somewhere!
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11-07-13, 09:43 PM
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Dude, it's hard to understand what you're trying to say sometimes. This is one time that's got to be one of the hardest to decipher.
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Bear in mind that many of us are a bit on the cheap side. In fact it's well documented that copper wire was invented by two C&V enthusiasts fighting over a penny. Or maybe it was two Scots. Or Nederlanders. In either case they probably were C&Vers as well.
Anyway, many of us have bought and sold a number of bikes and part of the story of each becomes how cheaply we bought them, how dearly we sold them. Or possibly how deeply encrusted was the rust in the bottom bracket, what heroic measures it took to free the seatpost, and so on. Much like the angler, whose big catch becomes a pound heavier and a tougher fight every time he tells about it.
If you are looking to 'flip' bikes then it matters a great deal how much you pay for them. If you want a bike for yourself, fit and 'rightness' matter, cost not so much. No one has said that any of the bikes you've enquired about is a screaming deal, but so what? I would bet that at least a couple of those bikes would work out very nicely for you, and if you could find something comparable a year later for $100 less, who cares--that's a year you could have been riding.
Get a decent bike that fits you, ride it, take it apart and put it back together, see how it works for you, and see what else is out there. There will ALWAYS be another bike, and if the first turns out to not be your longterm keeper, that's okay.
Anyway, many of us have bought and sold a number of bikes and part of the story of each becomes how cheaply we bought them, how dearly we sold them. Or possibly how deeply encrusted was the rust in the bottom bracket, what heroic measures it took to free the seatpost, and so on. Much like the angler, whose big catch becomes a pound heavier and a tougher fight every time he tells about it.
If you are looking to 'flip' bikes then it matters a great deal how much you pay for them. If you want a bike for yourself, fit and 'rightness' matter, cost not so much. No one has said that any of the bikes you've enquired about is a screaming deal, but so what? I would bet that at least a couple of those bikes would work out very nicely for you, and if you could find something comparable a year later for $100 less, who cares--that's a year you could have been riding.
Get a decent bike that fits you, ride it, take it apart and put it back together, see how it works for you, and see what else is out there. There will ALWAYS be another bike, and if the first turns out to not be your longterm keeper, that's okay.
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11-07-13, 10:07 PM
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For the GF
https://atlanta.craigslist.org/nat/bik/4088237265.html
https://atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/bik/4132841188.html
https://atlanta.craigslist.org/nat/bik/4061675438.html - 30 days old ad
For you
Bianchi
https://atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/bik/4174121588.html
Two hour drive, but nice Team Fuji
https://chattanooga.craigslist.org/bik/4117853586.html
Miyata 710
https://atlanta.craigslist.org/nat/bik/4114523303.html
https://atlanta.craigslist.org/nat/bik/4088237265.html
https://atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/bik/4132841188.html
https://atlanta.craigslist.org/nat/bik/4061675438.html - 30 days old ad
For you
Bianchi
https://atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/bik/4174121588.html
Two hour drive, but nice Team Fuji
https://chattanooga.craigslist.org/bik/4117853586.html
Miyata 710
https://atlanta.craigslist.org/nat/bik/4114523303.html
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Bear in mind that many of us are a bit on the cheap side. In fact it's well documented that copper wire was invented by two C&V enthusiasts fighting over a penny. Or maybe it was two Scots. Or Nederlanders. In either case they probably were C&Vers as well.
Anyway, many of us have bought and sold a number of bikes and part of the story of each becomes how cheaply we bought them, how dearly we sold them. Or possibly how deeply encrusted was the rust in the bottom bracket, what heroic measures it took to free the seatpost, and so on. Much like the angler, whose big catch becomes a pound heavier and a tougher fight every time he tells about it.
If you are looking to 'flip' bikes then it matters a great deal how much you pay for them. If you want a bike for yourself, fit and 'rightness' matter, cost not so much. No one has said that any of the bikes you've enquired about is a screaming deal, but so what? I would bet that at least a couple of those bikes would work out very nicely for you, and if you could find something comparable a year later for $100 less, who cares--that's a year you could have been riding.
Get a decent bike that fits you, ride it, take it apart and put it back together, see how it works for you, and see what else is out there. There will ALWAYS be another bike, and if the first turns out to not be your longterm keeper, that's okay.
Anyway, many of us have bought and sold a number of bikes and part of the story of each becomes how cheaply we bought them, how dearly we sold them. Or possibly how deeply encrusted was the rust in the bottom bracket, what heroic measures it took to free the seatpost, and so on. Much like the angler, whose big catch becomes a pound heavier and a tougher fight every time he tells about it.
If you are looking to 'flip' bikes then it matters a great deal how much you pay for them. If you want a bike for yourself, fit and 'rightness' matter, cost not so much. No one has said that any of the bikes you've enquired about is a screaming deal, but so what? I would bet that at least a couple of those bikes would work out very nicely for you, and if you could find something comparable a year later for $100 less, who cares--that's a year you could have been riding.
Get a decent bike that fits you, ride it, take it apart and put it back together, see how it works for you, and see what else is out there. There will ALWAYS be another bike, and if the first turns out to not be your longterm keeper, that's okay.
For the GF
https://atlanta.craigslist.org/nat/bik/4088237265.html
https://atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/bik/4132841188.html
https://atlanta.craigslist.org/nat/bik/4061675438.html - 30 days old ad
For you
Bianchi
https://atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/bik/4174121588.html
Two hour drive, but nice Team Fuji
https://chattanooga.craigslist.org/bik/4117853586.html
Miyata 710
https://atlanta.craigslist.org/nat/bik/4114523303.html
https://atlanta.craigslist.org/nat/bik/4088237265.html
https://atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/bik/4132841188.html
https://atlanta.craigslist.org/nat/bik/4061675438.html - 30 days old ad
For you
Bianchi
https://atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/bik/4174121588.html
Two hour drive, but nice Team Fuji
https://chattanooga.craigslist.org/bik/4117853586.html
Miyata 710
https://atlanta.craigslist.org/nat/bik/4114523303.html
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Alright, alright! ONE MORE!
It might be a little above budget but the guy says he will entertain any offer...
https://athensga.craigslist.org/bik/4111446877.html
It might be a little above budget but the guy says he will entertain any offer...
https://athensga.craigslist.org/bik/4111446877.html
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Don't get sucked in by the brand name, that Bianchi is waaaaaaay overpriced, the seller is hoping someone with very little knowledge will pony up the dough based on the marquee alone.
This Panasonic beats that Bianchi by a country mile.
https://atlanta.craigslist.org/nat/bik/4066632290.html
You have a lot of really nice Panasonics on your CL, I guess there must have been a big shop that sold them back in the day.
This Panasonic beats that Bianchi by a country mile.
https://atlanta.craigslist.org/nat/bik/4066632290.html
You have a lot of really nice Panasonics on your CL, I guess there must have been a big shop that sold them back in the day.