Help Identify Vintage Frame
10-13-15 | 03:15 PM
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Just for the record: this is what [MENTION=333224]juvela[/MENTION] was on about in post # 4:
A Raleigh Record (the European version):
And a Raleigh Competition (also the European version):
A Raleigh Record (the European version):
And a Raleigh Competition (also the European version):
10-13-15 | 03:31 PM
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I was poking around and I saw several similar frames, but that "Francesco Strada" frame is about as close as one can get to the same bike. The Helyett is close (I was going by fork crown) but the dropout and lugs are different. I just ran across that page recently after seeing some pretty cool looking Helyett bikes on two of the Cragislist-like sites I watch overseas in towns where friends live which inspired me to dig for more info. I hadn't heard of the brand before, apparently Gitane bought them at some point in the 70s? This could explain any French influences on a bike if it were a Helyett, but you'd be hard pressed to find one that matches, I can't find a central location with pictures in French or English - I searched in both!
One thing is for sure: I agree with a couple above that the stylistic cues put the bike 70s-80s. I'm thinking late 70s, maybe early 80s.
One of these days I wouldn't mind finding a Helyett, there's something nice about them. I'd also love to have an Edi Strobl in the stable, but that's another one impossible to find over here.
One thing is for sure: I agree with a couple above that the stylistic cues put the bike 70s-80s. I'm thinking late 70s, maybe early 80s.
One of these days I wouldn't mind finding a Helyett, there's something nice about them. I'd also love to have an Edi Strobl in the stable, but that's another one impossible to find over here.
It appears the "Francesco Strada" banding is a combination of Francesco Moser, and Bianchi Strada. Looks like they have been creative with a Francesco MOSER Decal by cutting the ends off it and placing their own (very fresh looking) decal in the center of the vertical post and head tube.
So the plot thickens.
10-13-15 | 03:39 PM
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I was poking around and I saw several similar frames, but that "Francesco Strada" frame is about as close as one can get to the same bike. The Helyett is close (I was going by fork crown) but the dropout and lugs are different. I just ran across that page recently after seeing some pretty cool looking Helyett bikes on two of the Cragislist-like sites I watch overseas in towns where friends live which inspired me to dig for more info. I hadn't heard of the brand before, apparently Gitane bought them at some point in the 70s? This could explain any French influences on a bike if it were a Helyett, but you'd be hard pressed to find one that matches, I can't find a central location with pictures in French or English - I searched in both!
One of these days I wouldn't mind finding a Helyett, there's something nice about them. I'd also love to have an Edi Strobl in the stable, but that's another one impossible to find over here.
One of these days I wouldn't mind finding a Helyett, there's something nice about them. I'd also love to have an Edi Strobl in the stable, but that's another one impossible to find over here.
https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-vi...9-helyett.html
Thank you [MENTION=173992]non-fixie[/MENTION] for posting those Sir Wally images. That's the one!
10-13-15 | 08:53 PM
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The forum had a recent lively discussion which got into the history of the Helyett marque for anyone who is interested:
https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-vi...9-helyett.html
https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-vi...9-helyett.html
10-13-15 | 09:21 PM
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? for non-fixie -
In your photo of the seat cluster area of the Raleigh Competitiion we can see what looks like a transfer from a retail bike shop. The part of the name which can be read is Pierr_. It probably just ends in something like an e but I wanted to ask about it on the off chance it might end in an o spelling the name Pierro. The forum had a thread a couple months back on a bicycle called a Pierro and no one was able to learn much about the marque/manufacturer. There is always the possibility it could be a retail bike shop.
https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-vi...fo-please.html
https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-vi...rd-pierro.html
In your photo of the seat cluster area of the Raleigh Competitiion we can see what looks like a transfer from a retail bike shop. The part of the name which can be read is Pierr_. It probably just ends in something like an e but I wanted to ask about it on the off chance it might end in an o spelling the name Pierro. The forum had a thread a couple months back on a bicycle called a Pierro and no one was able to learn much about the marque/manufacturer. There is always the possibility it could be a retail bike shop.
https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-vi...fo-please.html
https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-vi...rd-pierro.html
10-14-15 | 05:29 AM
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Just for the record: this is what @juvela was on about in post # 4:
A Raleigh Record (the European version):
A Raleigh Record (the European version):
10-14-15 | 09:06 AM
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I don't think it's a Raleigh. I don't recall having ever seen that chain stay cable stop on a Raleigh. I have often seem them on French and Belgian bikes, though.
10-24-15 | 05:39 PM
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So I had the frame sand blasted, and there was absolutely no manufacturer marks on anything, except for an "F" and "1" on the BB.
The quality of the Brazing leads me to believe that this was made by an enthusiast frame builder, and is not what id call high quality.
The tubing also appears to be CR-MO and not what was stated on the seat post.
Its unfortunate that I was unable to identify it, but it should make a great bike regardless. Cheers for your help guys.
The quality of the Brazing leads me to believe that this was made by an enthusiast frame builder, and is not what id call high quality.
The tubing also appears to be CR-MO and not what was stated on the seat post.
Its unfortunate that I was unable to identify it, but it should make a great bike regardless. Cheers for your help guys.
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10-24-15 | 07:02 PM
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did not intend to confuse things with my comment regarding the similarity of the lugs between cycle under discussion and the made in japan raleigh i have here. do not think there is any common raleigh/japan heritage between bike photo posted by non-fixie and our mystery bike. have been leaning toward a low countries origin from the outset.
suggestion -
now that she is in bare metal this would be an excellent opportunity to clean up the welds on the underside of the lugs. will give the completed bicycle a bit cleaner look.
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