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Old 07-01-16, 07:30 PM
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If you want to look at the eBay seller's listing here is the listing:

I had no idea the new software would put the entire listing up, different from the old ways.

He has a separate website, with all of his offerings, which are surprisingly extensive. I paid 14.xx USD, he lists them in £UK, I used Paypal for the currency conversion. Looking at the current listing the price has dropped from the exchange rate. Good stuff, and I am in no way connected with this seller, to cover my bases.

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Coming right along.
I would consider painting the drill holes on the jockey cage spring shield to hold the rust at bay.
My favorite water bottle cage. I have found them hard to find now.
The classic TA cages are just that, but the pricing is very unfriendly now for examples with good chrome or anodizing that is not worn off.
And there are not many concours to worry about.
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Originally Posted by crank_addict
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As if weight really matters.... lol
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Nice to see that the pivot bolts found a good home and a good project! Much better than having them getting old in my parts box. Thanks for sharing the build process photos, and I hope to see the finished bike sometime this year!

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I have a pair of blue Ale alloy toe clips, if they would be of interest.
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Very nice - the swallow looks great on it. That was my first thought when building mine, but wound up going the garden variety way (and very, very pleased with it, I'm sure you'll love the ride). Somewhere on here there's a pic of northbend's BG(?) with the rootboy hoods showing dark after many miles if you want to see where those are headed. Think it may have been from L'eroica...? A pic of them also showed up on the radavist at that time as well if memory serves. The rear der. looks like jewelery.
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Originally Posted by jeirvine
I have a pair of blue Ale alloy toe clips, if they would be of interest.
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Hey John, appreciate the kind offer but funny you should mention. Initially was looking at the exact but re-thought would be too much blue. I'm going for ally in silver.

Thanks for the comp's all. Have a great and safe holiday!
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The devil is in the details and this one is full of them. The drillium looks good - I note you drilled a couple/three large holes back there in the spring collar (can't do that with my Dremel), too. The whole bike is coming together beautifully

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Thanks Jeff for the comps, but please don't look too close. Ha- I'm no match to you pro's. I have utmost respect to those of you doing the drillium thing. Mine was just an amateur exercise and the want to experience, nostalgia, 'hot rod' DIY mentality. Refreshing fun to try something different.

As for the shift group. Its silky smooth, snickity quick. I don't know why it works better than other NR stuff I have. Perhaps its the 5 speed and two tooth increments?

Glued up the rubber last night and will temporarily install clipless pedals for an evening ride.
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Originally Posted by crank_addict
As for the shift group. Its silky smooth, snickity quick. I don't know why it works better than other NR stuff I have. Perhaps its the 5 speed and two tooth increments?
Your NR looks pretty clean - maybe it's just got less slop (from use) than your others? Although I'd be willing to bet that the one/two-tooth jumps also have something to do with the smoothness. Bigger jumps always seem to be less smooth.

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That came out great! I can`t wait to see it in person. We must ride together soon?
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^Right on Steve. (BTW: How's Bike Mike coming along with his Colnago project?)

Road report-
For the interim decided to swap the pedals to SPD. I simply can't ride well without good foot retention. Yet to acquire ally toe clips but this was a good chance to mash.

Saturday was an easy ride, got into the rhythm of its stability at speed on descent, plus a little climbing and get a feel for it.

Got quite the surprise on a very quiet road having a descent aiding in speed. Three sandhill cranes were startled and burst from the weeded roadside. I was nearly on top of them and while they're slow to lift off tall 4 ft. high birds, easy for a collision to happen. One flying right to the side of my head and then unloaded a bombardment of crappola. VERY close to mayhem! Sorry for the poor pics but captured a few just afterwards.

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Sunday - My usual 30 mile loop, short rollers 1k elevation gain, lots of short cornering, mixed asphalt surface, wind gust 20 mph. Gear inch range 50 low to 98 high (5 speed).

Firstly, this is a beautiful rider. Nice enough could see light touring with it. You'll notice the short 80 mm stem reach. Being the bar was already wrapped in the leather stitch, I wasn't going to change it unless direly needed. The Swallow rails allow pretty good fore-aft adjustment. Out of this arrangement, I like this stem and will stay as is. The short stem does well for quickening left to right transition. For now, I'm experimenting with weight transfer and planted more to the front wheel. The saddle is set forward. Rock solid confidence at speed. No nervousness or when lift happens over road humps. For todays evening ride will move it rearward ever slightly and see what happens. Also, you don't get the 'spring' out of the fast corner like a modern delivers. Don't get me wrong, its good and really fun just not like modern bikes.

That said, this is supposed to be crit racer stuff of that era. Its nothing like modern. Best analogy would be like picking a calculated line in a corner on a vintage Ducati 900SS vs. todays Suzuki GSX-R600. The Duc being a more lazy, graceful arcing machine with absolute confidence. You pick the line and commit. You're not got going to get that feathery light, fighter on edge when you need it - instant moment of change maneuver. No flick of transition will match modern lightweights. There's also more fork mass and weight of wheel / inertia up front as well, so it's no surprise.

Have yet to compare bb height to others in the same era. Has 170 mm crank arms and as mentioned, on clipless. I suppose the tires should have an appropriate scrub in but sure is fun cranking thru the tighter radius corners.

Wheels and rubber plow over everything with no disruption. Only noted a slight wiggle in the rear while on parallel running chip seal. Love the ride.

Frame flex. I'm not tuned into much as others here on tubing behavior but believe the Super is made from Columbus (510 ?) SL, offering an ideal compromise of ride and robustness vs. the lighter Mexico frameset. The latter having Colnago modified SL tubes. I found some flex under sprint and climbing. Minimal and no bother whatsoever but definitely more flexy than any modern ally or CF bike.

For vintage comparison, I found it far less than a '72 Le Champion with R-531, another Moto for junior racing having Vitus 888 of which that one feels on par with Tange Champ. 2.

The reinforced blade and crown on this fork is awesome. Day and night superior over any of the other steel type with uni-crown I've experienced.

Brakes- I expected more and not impressed in comparing to other vintage. Campy pads appear and feel good as new. I've done the usual pre-scuff and thorough degrease including the rims (anodized). I might experiment with my own beveled backing washers and play around more with toe-in. All of my older bikes with centerpulls work far better than these Campagnolo side pulls. They fall short of the same period Shimano 600 sidepulls.

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head tube 16cm end to end
down tube 63 cm ct.-ct.
seat tube 58 cm ct.-ct.
top tube 56 cm ct.-ct.
chainstay 41.5 cm
seat stay 55 cm
bottom bracket height (to center) 270 mm
wheelbase 100 cm

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For better braking you need Fresh pads, not NOS.
Even then, dual pivots are superior.

With most clipless pedals of today, the cornering clearance is much better than with Typical Campagnolo Record pedals of the period. Just how it is.

The BB drop I never thought of as particularly "criterium" on the Colnago. Acceptable, not the 75mm of drop found on some Cinelli and Pogliaghi's of the early 70's but not high like a track bike. You get better descending as part of the trade. The steering on Colnago's at least of the 55-56 cm sizes is more "entertaining" than say a early 70's Cinelli or Masi, Pogliaghi. If I had to ride all day, the Colnago would stay home, after 5 hours on the bike, I don't need entertaining, but need the bike to take care of me.
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So, you managed to scare the crap out of a sand hill crane on the commissioning ride of the 'Nago! Glad you have a couple of rides under your belt on it, finally. This has been a great build thread, very enjoyable, thanks for including us in your experience.

BTW, I managed to finally find my alloy Christophe clips yesterday, on eBay, did the BIN early this morning. That makes the pedals and clips as they were when the Medici was a new bike, including the Alfredo Binda straps I got for just a few bucks. Not to rub your clip tribulations in.....

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Make sure your grip is strong. Those brakes can stop you (or at least me) as well as anything, but to do that, you have to pour on the grip fast. I'm confident with them. I have old Mathauser shoes on mine, so try Kool Stop.
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Originally Posted by qcpmsame
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BTW, I managed to finally find my alloy Christophe clips yesterday, on eBay, did the BIN early this morning. That makes the pedals and clips as they were when the Medici was a new bike, including the Alfredo Binda straps I got for just a few bucks. Not to rub your clip tribulations in.....

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Way to go, Bill

I finally have the proper setup. More time in these than I want to count, but pleased with the result. Will install them before tonights ride. Happy riding ~

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Looking good, very nice pedal setup for your new build. Are those Campagnolo Nuovo Record Pista? They don't seem to have the outside loop, looking at your pics. Those look like new, and the Cinelli clips and straps make it what you said you were looking to accomplish.

I was happy to find a set of Christophe clips in the large size, getting them NOS was pure cream. The Binda straps were already in hand. It was strange, I had bought some SR levers and chain rings from Last Ride 76 here, and I had no idea that he was the seller on eBay for the clips, he uses a different name as a seller there from his screen name. He was kind enough to combine all of the shipping, and upped the mailing to Priority Mail, USPS. I still need to mount the levers, they are ready to go as far as filing out the scraped places and polishing them up. Riding the Medici has been great, I hope your 'Nago is a good riding bike as well.

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^ Yes, they are genuine pista and not hacked off or modded. Original with the bike as built back then.

Think I have a pic posted but it shows where the prior owner snipped off the cages rather then simply removing screws. One of the pointy cleat guides was missing and a dust cap. The black cage finish is original, has the usual wear from shoe contact but look nice. After a full service of them, they deserved a nice pair of chrome caps so acquired them from John B at velostuff. Found a decent pair of Cinelli ally clips, ironically included -one- Campy cleat guide. Whats the chance of that happening?! That made it all complete and come together.

Kind of into the pedal thing lately. Also, have two pairs of Gipiemme Crono's to work on. Appealing and funky design, tempted to use them on the Colnago though from a slight later era (mid 1980's). Have yet to weigh them. One pair for another project and perhaps the other trade bait or gifted.
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My Superleggerri (sp?) were in fair to rough condition when I won them on eBay. Someone had gotten tar on both of them, especially the dust caps and center tubes. Actually, they cleaned up nicely, with a little bit of time and effort, the dust caps came really clean and shiny. They had MKH clips and generic white straps, I hunted for a while to get the correct Christophe clips, in large, and also found the Binda straps. Both the straps and pedals looked rough in the bid pictures, I took a flyer on them and came out for the good.

I thought those looked like true pista pedals, should look great with the clips, guides and straps in place on your Colnago.

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