Phat Phillets
03-06-17 | 11:34 AM
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Phat Phillets
If you like 'em, this is about as good as it gets.
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03-06-17 | 12:05 PM
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Unless you prefer seat clusters...
David Kirk does some amazing work. The sculpted fillets look cool, and I like the pointed fin more than a "simple" smooth fillet. That said, I do wonder how much structural support this adds, or to what extent it's driven by aesthetics.
David Kirk does some amazing work. The sculpted fillets look cool, and I like the pointed fin more than a "simple" smooth fillet. That said, I do wonder how much structural support this adds, or to what extent it's driven by aesthetics.
03-06-17 | 12:40 PM
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Bikes: It's complicated.
Unless you prefer seat clusters...
David Kirk does some amazing work. The sculpted fillets look cool, and I like the pointed fin more than a "simple" smooth fillet. That said, I do wonder how much structural support this adds, or to what extent it's driven by aesthetics.
David Kirk does some amazing work. The sculpted fillets look cool, and I like the pointed fin more than a "simple" smooth fillet. That said, I do wonder how much structural support this adds, or to what extent it's driven by aesthetics.
Large radius fillets aren't required for strength. The French constructeurs of days gone by typically used much smaller ones when they weren't lugged. Large radius fillets are a stylistic statement. See Tom Ritchey for another example.
They just look pretty damn cool, and this is an outstanding example of "carving" fillets.
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03-06-17 | 05:16 PM
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What might not be apparent is that the fillets are quite small at their root but for the arching ridge along the centerline of the frame. So a simple side view might be seen as having a lot of bronze but in reality only the narrow ridge/peak has much filler. Andy
03-06-17 | 11:44 PM
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Darn it. Now you're going to get me all motivated and stuff to work on my Schwinn Superior and Super Sport.
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03-07-17 | 01:25 PM
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Unless you prefer seat clusters...
David Kirk does some amazing work. The sculpted fillets look cool, and I like the pointed fin more than a "simple" smooth fillet. That said, I do wonder how much structural support this adds, or to what extent it's driven by aesthetics.
David Kirk does some amazing work. The sculpted fillets look cool, and I like the pointed fin more than a "simple" smooth fillet. That said, I do wonder how much structural support this adds, or to what extent it's driven by aesthetics.
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03-15-17 | 09:39 AM
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From NAHBS writeup:
“What I couldn’t see in in the (Dave Kirk big fat fillets) photos on the Internet was how he managed to create those thin edges by using small pieces of sheet metal. He tacked them in and then began adding brass.” Ah, was wondering how he was able to do that!
“What I couldn’t see in in the (Dave Kirk big fat fillets) photos on the Internet was how he managed to create those thin edges by using small pieces of sheet metal. He tacked them in and then began adding brass.” Ah, was wondering how he was able to do that!
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03-15-17 | 10:12 AM
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From NAHBS writeup:
“What I couldn’t see in in the (Dave Kirk big fat fillets) photos on the Internet was how he managed to create those thin edges by using small pieces of sheet metal. He tacked them in and then began adding brass.” Ah, was wondering how he was able to do that!
“What I couldn’t see in in the (Dave Kirk big fat fillets) photos on the Internet was how he managed to create those thin edges by using small pieces of sheet metal. He tacked them in and then began adding brass.” Ah, was wondering how he was able to do that!
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03-15-17 | 10:20 AM
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That makes sense. Anyone who has done any brazing would wonder. In order to get the brass hot enough to make an acceptable bond with the base metal, it will begin to "flow" (self-level). You would end up using a ton of rod to build a brass mound tall enough to sculpt as shown. Then you would waste huge amounts of material carving it into those peaks. Having a steel "backbone" would solve all that. Gorgeous work! Are you tempted to try some variation of that yourself now, Gugie?
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03-15-17 | 12:57 PM
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Bikes: Bikes??? Thought this was social media?!?
Before scrolling down, I thought [MENTION=381793]gugie[/MENTION] was offering custom stems.
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