Bottechia???
03-28-17 | 10:31 PM
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Bottecchia???
Hi folks,
Maybe, I'll finally get the spelling correct
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The bike co-op where I volunteer had a strange vintage bike donated recently. The donating owner claimed that it is a 1972 Bottecchia. Sorry, I didn't get pictures, but will pass on the info I have. The serial number starts with a six pointed star followed by 04123. The entire frame is chrome plated, albeit, a poor job. It appears to have been for chrome stays and the rest to be painted. Forks are painted silver on the top half and chromed on the lower section. It has Campagnolo dropouts without eyelets and unadorned short point lugs that aren't tapered or finished well. The derailleurs, hubs and pedals are Campagnolo Record. Brakes are Universal Mod. 68. Seat post is SR Laprade sans seat. Stem looks like an old APEX, but has a long Italian name in the side. I couldn't find any markings on the bars.
The co-op manager is open to a discussion regarding an "as is" sale, but I'd appreciate some bargaining info as to frame quality. I think I know the component value. I will try to get pix the next time I'm there.
Thanks and regards,
Van
Maybe, I'll finally get the spelling correct
.The bike co-op where I volunteer had a strange vintage bike donated recently. The donating owner claimed that it is a 1972 Bottecchia. Sorry, I didn't get pictures, but will pass on the info I have. The serial number starts with a six pointed star followed by 04123. The entire frame is chrome plated, albeit, a poor job. It appears to have been for chrome stays and the rest to be painted. Forks are painted silver on the top half and chromed on the lower section. It has Campagnolo dropouts without eyelets and unadorned short point lugs that aren't tapered or finished well. The derailleurs, hubs and pedals are Campagnolo Record. Brakes are Universal Mod. 68. Seat post is SR Laprade sans seat. Stem looks like an old APEX, but has a long Italian name in the side. I couldn't find any markings on the bars.
The co-op manager is open to a discussion regarding an "as is" sale, but I'd appreciate some bargaining info as to frame quality. I think I know the component value. I will try to get pix the next time I'm there.
Thanks and regards,
Van
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03-28-17 | 10:44 PM
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The six pointed star could have been put in by a licensing agency. Prior to California going to a statewide licensing system in 1977 each city had their own symbol which they would stamp into a bicycle's frame upon licensing. The six pointed star was employed by the city of Berkeley, California.
In 1972 Berkeley's Bottecchia dealer was a shop called The Missing Link.
You will be able to get much more useful information from forum participants regarding the cycle if you are able to post some images.
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The six pointed star could have been put in by a licensing agency. Prior to California going to a statewide licensing system in 1977 each city had their own symbol which they would stamp into a bicycle's frame upon licensing. The six pointed star was employed by the city of Berkeley, California.
In 1972 Berkeley's Bottecchia dealer was a shop called The Missing Link.
You will be able to get much more useful information from forum participants regarding the cycle if you are able to post some images.
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03-28-17 | 10:51 PM
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J,
Thanks for the info. I grew up in the South Bay - now Silicon Valley and remember the Missing Link. I also have an Eisentraut which was built in Oakland.
Regards,
Van
Thanks for the info. I grew up in the South Bay - now Silicon Valley and remember the Missing Link. I also have an Eisentraut which was built in Oakland.
Regards,
Van
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03-29-17 | 04:11 AM
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Bikes: ? Proteous, '65 Frejus TDF, '73 Bottecchia Giro d'Italia, '83 Colnago Superissimo, '84 Trek 610, '84 Trek 760, '88 Pinarello Veneto, '88 De Rosa Pro, '89 Pinarello Montello, 'Litespeed Catalyst'94 Burley Duet, 97 Specialized RockHopper, 2010 Langster
There are over 100 pics of a 73 here
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03-29-17 | 07:59 AM
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Bikes: ? Proteous, '65 Frejus TDF, '73 Bottecchia Giro d'Italia, '83 Colnago Superissimo, '84 Trek 610, '84 Trek 760, '88 Pinarello Veneto, '88 De Rosa Pro, '89 Pinarello Montello, 'Litespeed Catalyst'94 Burley Duet, 97 Specialized RockHopper, 2010 Langster
FYI, chrome finish quality is directly related to surface preparation. If there are pits and a rough finish, they will show through the chrome. The process doesn't really fill any voids of any size. It was common practice to chrome the frame and only polish those portions that would NOT be painted. Having a rough chrome finish helped the paint adhere but was not the same as without chrome.
There are many approaches to what processes are used to get to the final state. Some are more durable that others, and it will be evident. If you go to the Flickr album hyperlinked above, you will like see some pics of rusted areas with chrome on the edges along with areas where the paint is gone with chrome underneath. In addition, the quality of the workmanship is evident as well
There are many approaches to what processes are used to get to the final state. Some are more durable that others, and it will be evident. If you go to the Flickr album hyperlinked above, you will like see some pics of rusted areas with chrome on the edges along with areas where the paint is gone with chrome underneath. In addition, the quality of the workmanship is evident as well
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03-31-17 | 09:57 PM
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Bump for additional quality info or any links to a serial number data base.
What I've learned so far is that Bottecchia is an Italian full line bicycle manufacturer which was founded by the Carnielli family in the early 20th century. Ottavio Bottecchia was the first Italian to win the Tour de France, 1924 & 25, and was linked to Carnielli. After his untimely death in 1926, the company was reorganized and named in his honor. The company is considered a second tier manufacturer. Their top of the line bike were essentially "club racers". It is rumored that their team bikes, including Lemond's 1989 TdF winner, were built by others. The company is still in business and continues to sponsor pro teams.
What I've learned so far is that Bottecchia is an Italian full line bicycle manufacturer which was founded by the Carnielli family in the early 20th century. Ottavio Bottecchia was the first Italian to win the Tour de France, 1924 & 25, and was linked to Carnielli. After his untimely death in 1926, the company was reorganized and named in his honor. The company is considered a second tier manufacturer. Their top of the line bike were essentially "club racers". It is rumored that their team bikes, including Lemond's 1989 TdF winner, were built by others. The company is still in business and continues to sponsor pro teams.
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03-31-17 | 11:35 PM
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Bump for additional quality info or any links to a serial number data base.
What I've learned so far is that Bottecchia is an Italian full line bicycle manufacturer which was founded by the Carnielli family in the early 20th century. Ottavio Bottecchia was the first Italian to win the Tour de France, 1924 & 25, and was linked to Carnielli. After his untimely death in 1926, the company was reorganized and named in his honor. The company is considered a second tier manufacturer. Their top of the line bike were essentially "club racers". It is rumored that their team bikes, including Lemond's 1989 TdF winner, were built by others. The company is still in business and continues to sponsor pro teams.
What I've learned so far is that Bottecchia is an Italian full line bicycle manufacturer which was founded by the Carnielli family in the early 20th century. Ottavio Bottecchia was the first Italian to win the Tour de France, 1924 & 25, and was linked to Carnielli. After his untimely death in 1926, the company was reorganized and named in his honor. The company is considered a second tier manufacturer. Their top of the line bike were essentially "club racers". It is rumored that their team bikes, including Lemond's 1989 TdF winner, were built by others. The company is still in business and continues to sponsor pro teams.
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04-01-17 | 02:25 PM
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All of the top Bottecchia's came standard equipped with Columbus tubing frames & Campagnola mechanicals. Very good value bikes back in the day. I remember getting these bikes mail - order from Italy for less than about 1/2 of what an equivalent Paramount would cost. Very desirable ride to the right collector.
04-01-17 | 11:25 PM
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Hi G,
We moved to Salem from Florence last fall. We had been fulltime RVers for the previous 11 years and Florence was our home base for the past five. I rotated my meager collection depending on travel plans or destinations, but it's blossomed in the last couple of years. Now, if this crappy weather would clear up, I could get some real miles in. We get to Portland periodically and when there I like to hit the co-ops.
Cheers,
Van
We moved to Salem from Florence last fall. We had been fulltime RVers for the previous 11 years and Florence was our home base for the past five. I rotated my meager collection depending on travel plans or destinations, but it's blossomed in the last couple of years. Now, if this crappy weather would clear up, I could get some real miles in. We get to Portland periodically and when there I like to hit the co-ops.
Cheers,
Van
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04-01-17 | 11:32 PM
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Hi G,
We moved to Salem from Florence last fall. We had been fulltime RVers for the previous 11 years and Florence was our home base for the past five. I rotated my meager collection depending on travel plans or destinations, but it's blossomed in the last couple of years. Now, if this crappy weather would clear up, I could get some real miles in. We get to Portland periodically and when there I like to hit the co-ops.
Cheers,
Van
We moved to Salem from Florence last fall. We had been fulltime RVers for the previous 11 years and Florence was our home base for the past five. I rotated my meager collection depending on travel plans or destinations, but it's blossomed in the last couple of years. Now, if this crappy weather would clear up, I could get some real miles in. We get to Portland periodically and when there I like to hit the co-ops.
Cheers,
Van
We've got a fairly active C&V gang up here, if you ever want to come up for a ride, post a holler here, and we'll be sure to scare up some bodies to keep you company. I get down to Community Cycle Center now and then. It's a 12 mile ride from where I live in SW on the "suburban" side of the hill
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04-03-17 | 11:13 PM
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Hi Van,
We've got a fairly active C&V gang up here, if you ever want to come up for a ride, post a holler here, and we'll be sure to scare up some bodies to keep you company. I get down to Community Cycle Center now and then. It's a 12 mile ride from where I live in SW on the "suburban" side of the hill
We've got a fairly active C&V gang up here, if you ever want to come up for a ride, post a holler here, and we'll be sure to scare up some bodies to keep you company. I get down to Community Cycle Center now and then. It's a 12 mile ride from where I live in SW on the "suburban" side of the hill
The group is made up of SENIORS, right!
Van
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04-04-17 | 07:29 AM
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04-04-17 | 08:56 PM
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Nuff said!
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