Help with frame ID
04-27-17 | 09:15 PM
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Help with frame ID
Mystery Red Frame, serial # 805400
Bought at swap meet a few years ago as pictured, and put aside until now. Seller claimed it is 531.
56 cm x 56 cm ctc
42 cm chain stay
Weight is 4.12 lbs
No Headbadge holes
Both seat stays have decal that says “Handbuilt in England”
Seat tube is 28.6 od
Top tube is 25.4 od
Down Tube is 28.6 od
BB is English thread, stamped BCM
126 rear spacing with Gipiemme drop outs with adjusters
3 top tube guides, 2 sets bottle bosses, no eyelets, down tube shifter bosses, pump peg
Brake bridge is recessed
27.0 seat post
Thanks for any help
More pictures here.
https://flic.kr/s/aHskYJWeVM
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IMG_0638 by lebagman, on Flickr[/IMG]
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IMG_0637 by lebagman, on Flickr[/IMG]
Bought at swap meet a few years ago as pictured, and put aside until now. Seller claimed it is 531.
56 cm x 56 cm ctc
42 cm chain stay
Weight is 4.12 lbs
No Headbadge holes
Both seat stays have decal that says “Handbuilt in England”
Seat tube is 28.6 od
Top tube is 25.4 od
Down Tube is 28.6 od
BB is English thread, stamped BCM
126 rear spacing with Gipiemme drop outs with adjusters
3 top tube guides, 2 sets bottle bosses, no eyelets, down tube shifter bosses, pump peg
Brake bridge is recessed
27.0 seat post
Thanks for any help
More pictures here.
https://flic.kr/s/aHskYJWeVM
[IMG]
IMG_0638 by lebagman, on Flickr[/IMG][IMG]
IMG_0637 by lebagman, on Flickr[/IMG]
04-28-17 | 11:16 AM
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Falcon? Are they British?
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04-28-17 | 11:42 AM
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I think [MENTION=159681]Bianchigirll[/MENTION] is right. This looks like a late 80s Falcon.
https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-vi...on-s-gone.html
Falcon Jaguar
https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-vi...on-s-gone.html
Falcon Jaguar
04-28-17 | 11:46 AM
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Now that Bianchigirll has said it, yeah - 80s Falcon?
I think this one - [IMG]
[/IMG] - is the less expensive, 501 tubed version of the OP's bike.
I think this one - [IMG]
[/IMG] - is the less expensive, 501 tubed version of the OP's bike.
04-28-17 | 11:50 AM
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Yep, [MENTION=159681]Bianchigirll[/MENTION] got it.
Here's a red one like the OP's:
Here's a red one like the OP's:
04-28-17 | 11:58 AM
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I'm no good at word games.
BG seems to have nailed it.
Thanks for the help.
BG seems to have nailed it.
Thanks for the help.
04-28-17 | 06:25 PM
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What a lucky guess 
[MENTION=418278]billytwosheds[/MENTION] you really think he has a 531 frame? Would that be consistent with the 27.0 seatpost?
[MENTION=364834]eom[/MENTION] I got lucky maybe but the remnants of that decal looked vaguely familiar. Do you have the fork? Did you buy it like that? if so just sell it for what you paid for it.
[MENTION=418278]billytwosheds[/MENTION] you really think he has a 531 frame? Would that be consistent with the 27.0 seatpost? [MENTION=364834]eom[/MENTION] I got lucky maybe but the remnants of that decal looked vaguely familiar. Do you have the fork? Did you buy it like that? if so just sell it for what you paid for it.
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04-29-17 | 02:20 PM
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It could be...either slightly off when measuring (and is actually 27.2), or it is actually 27.0 depending on how the frame building reamed the seat tube.
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04-29-17 | 04:14 PM
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Kudos to the OP for providing adequate photos. How many times have we had to pry photos out of people making ID requests?
Nice job BG.
The seat tube could also be pinched causing a 27.0 measurement.
Nice job BG.
The seat tube could also be pinched causing a 27.0 measurement.
04-29-17 | 04:22 PM
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I did not measure, I inserted a 27.0, 27.2 would not fit.
Thanks again to the collective mind.
Thanks again to the collective mind.
04-29-17 | 04:59 PM
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When Paramounts were built out of 531 in the 1970s you could get a Paramount with either a 27.0 ot 27.2 seat post depending on how the 531 tube came to them. Apparently Reynolds had slight variation in the inside diameter of their tubing. Roger
04-29-17 | 08:48 PM
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That 4.12 lb weight would certainly point to 531 or some equivalent premium tubing. Reference a 55cm (C2C) '74 Raleigh International frame at 4.66 lbs, a 57cm '79 Raleigh Comp GS frame at 4.59 lbs., a 58cm 70's Viscount frame at 4.37 lbs., and a 56cm 4130 Chrome Moly (Schwinn LeTour Luxe) frame at 5.45 lbs. Weights are as the OP shows, with all bearings and cups removed.
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