Toeing in Vintage Long Reach Sidepulls
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Toeing in Vintage Long Reach Sidepulls
My '52 Raleigh has quite a bit of brake squeal in the front brakes. I've been trying to toe in the pads the usual way, by using an adjustable wrench to bend the brake arm slightly, but given the age of the brake arms, I am wondering if, first of all, my usual way is the correct way, and second, if it is correct, is it OK to bend the arms on brakes that old. I have lived long enough to have a large enough catalogue of memories of accidentally snapping things to be overly cautious.
I was thinking the ideal solution would be to find a beveled washer that would toe in the brake pads without bending the arms at all. Is there such a thing?
I also wonder, just generally, how safe, in terms of dependably durable, old long reach brakes are. They flex quite a bit when I brake, and I assume they have been flexing like that for decades. Can I depend on them for decades longer, or would it be prudent to look for more modern long reach brakes to use on the bike? I do quite a bit of fast downhills toward intersections on my commute home. I've never had a brake arm snap, (though I did have my front brake cable snap once), but I wouldn't want it to happen.
I was thinking the ideal solution would be to find a beveled washer that would toe in the brake pads without bending the arms at all. Is there such a thing?
I also wonder, just generally, how safe, in terms of dependably durable, old long reach brakes are. They flex quite a bit when I brake, and I assume they have been flexing like that for decades. Can I depend on them for decades longer, or would it be prudent to look for more modern long reach brakes to use on the bike? I do quite a bit of fast downhills toward intersections on my commute home. I've never had a brake arm snap, (though I did have my front brake cable snap once), but I wouldn't want it to happen.
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Toeing in was how bike mechanics dealt with squeal for a long time. I did in the shop I worked in. That said brakes can snap.
Have you tried the kool stop continentals? https://www.amazon.com/Kool-Stop-Bic.../dp/B001HBRHJS
I've had good luck with them; they work well and I have had little issues with squealing.
A beveled washer would be ideal and you can find some brake shoes that have those (certainly common enough on cantilevers since those do squeal and you can't bend them).
Have you tried the kool stop continentals? https://www.amazon.com/Kool-Stop-Bic.../dp/B001HBRHJS
I've had good luck with them; they work well and I have had little issues with squealing.
A beveled washer would be ideal and you can find some brake shoes that have those (certainly common enough on cantilevers since those do squeal and you can't bend them).
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Toeing In Calipers
NEVER EVER try to bend Universal Brake Calipers. Learned that lesson about 1974. I tried to toe in a Universal 61 on a customer's bike and the arm snapped clean off. Fortunately we had a box full of those calipers and I replaced the broken one.
I use an 8" adjustable wrench (Crescent wrench) with tape wrapped around both jaws to reduce damage to the calipers.
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I use an 8" adjustable wrench (Crescent wrench) with tape wrapped around both jaws to reduce damage to the calipers.
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^^ this. Just sand / file the pad at an angle, which gives the same result as bending the caliper arm, but with zero risk.
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What kind of calipers? Many are quite amenable to that type of bending, including Raleigh steel and Weinmann aluminum.
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I use sand paper. IMO, it is easier than a file. Either way, adjusting the pad completely eliminates the risk of damage to the caliper arm.
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If this Raleigh has its original steel brake calipers, bending them to improve the toeing should be a non-issue.
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Ditto the Kool Stop pads with the plow tips, which are self-toeing. Not all Kool Stops have that feature though.
And ditto using a clean file rather than sandpaper. Brush out the file first, if it's been used before on metal.
Or beveled washers. I keep the metal bits and pieces from worn out V-brake pads for that purpose. Handy for adjusting fender mounts too.
And ditto using a clean file rather than sandpaper. Brush out the file first, if it's been used before on metal.
Or beveled washers. I keep the metal bits and pieces from worn out V-brake pads for that purpose. Handy for adjusting fender mounts too.
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Could you bend the post on the shoe instead?
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I have picked up grit from dirty roads but you can hear that and pick it out of the pad. It's a maintenance item.
The abrasive on garnet paper is not well bonded to the paper but is designed for the abrasive to break down (crumble) with use.
Last time I used sand paper it was a high quality 50 grit with abrasive that is bonded to the fabric substrate. It made quick, easy work of toeing in the new Campagnolo pads.
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I suppose that's true but it has never happened to me (that I know of). A quick inspection will reveal if you have a problem.
I have picked up grit from dirty roads but you can hear that and pick it out of the pad. It's a maintenance item.
The abrasive on garnet paper is not well bonded to the paper but is designed for the abrasive to break down (crumble) with use.
Last time I used sand paper it was a high quality 50 grit with abrasive that is bonded to the fabric substrate. It made quick, easy work of toeing in the new Campagnolo pads.
I have picked up grit from dirty roads but you can hear that and pick it out of the pad. It's a maintenance item.
The abrasive on garnet paper is not well bonded to the paper but is designed for the abrasive to break down (crumble) with use.
Last time I used sand paper it was a high quality 50 grit with abrasive that is bonded to the fabric substrate. It made quick, easy work of toeing in the new Campagnolo pads.
I sand with the wheel in place and brakes applied, the better to correct any toe-out condition caused by a poorly-aligned caliper or fork.
As an added bonus, this method tends to create clearance with the tire sidewall if it is lacking, so I first rotate the wheel to where the proximity between pad and tire is closest, insert the cloth and force the wheel to rotate forward while the brake is held applied.
This method doesn't create much toe-in, beyond what is created by the normal braking force tending to twist the brake arms, but instead is the "stable" amount of toe-in (that won't go away as the miles accumulate).
And, if the pads still squeal, then less-grippy pads really is the long-term solution.
Word of caution though, that the grit surface of the cloth will scratch paint easily, so use cautiously around painted stays and fork legs!
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