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Old 06-03-19, 01:27 AM
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Unknown Italain Frame ?Gizeta

Decals are Gizeta, original paint (?), Columbus frame and fork (?SL, seat post 27.2), "M" Panto'd fork. Very light frame at 4.08 lbs, w/fork 5.5 lbs. Planning Galli gruppo build up; trying for first time to make the lightest early frame out of the frames and parts inventory.
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Gizeta is Italian spelling of initials “G.Z.”

In this case, those stand for Gianni Zuffi, who owned a shop in Bologna. I’ve seen probably around a dozen Gizeta bikes (mostly on Italian classifieds) and they appeared to range in price levels as much as they did in construction styles. Because of this I assumed Gianni didn’t build but sold other framemakers’ frames badged as Gizeta.

My gut reaction, when looking at those stay ends and a couple of other aspects of your frame, is that is was most likely built by one of the Patelli brothers (their frames share stylistic details, so they’re sometimes hard to tell apart).

Patelli brothers started their shop in Bologna in 1948, with Sergio later opening his own shop in nearby Corticella (in the late 50s?), while Umberto and Luigi continued on in Bologna. Sergio’s frames are labeled “S.Patelli.”

Here's a few pics of frames done both by Sergio and Luigi/Umberto that show some of the elements present on your bike:









As for the fork crown pantograph - “M” doesn’t figure into “Gianni Zuffi” at all, so I’m not sure what the story there is.

The engraving looks similar to that of Marchesini (also a shop in Bologna), although all the ones I’ve seen of Marchesini had an italicized “M” in the wreath, whereas yours looks plain:




Patelli, for a time, used the same style of engraving:




Marchesini was another shop that sold frames made by various builders, including the Patelli brothers, Vetta, Tecnotelai, Alan, etc. Here is one Patelli built Marchesini that shares the top tube cable guides and the bottom bracket (with the less-than-usual cable routing solution):








Was you frame a Patelli-built Marchesini frame that was refinished by Zuffi? Or perhaps overstock of Marchesini contract frames that was sold to Zuffi by (Sergio) Patelli? Or perhaps Marchesini was not involved at all? Who knows.


As always, if there are any Italian members from the Bologna area that might have more details or corrections, please share!
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Gizeta, Marchesini, Patelli

Wow, a lot of food for thought! Great photos; my frame has the same look to the forks with openings at the dropout. I almost bought a Patelli; now it looks as if I might already have one in disguise. There is the "Gianni Zuffi" labeling going down the top of the DT. I, in my perpetual ignorance, thought it was a previous owners name. I think I'm going to come up with a weird phonetically spelled name for myself, but I'll have trouble making it sound Italian, I think the German side of me would win out in the pronunciation. Anyways, good to know info about this frame; I'll get some more photos up showing some more detail. I'm learning more everyday, so thanks to everyone for pulling me along. I may have been riding for decades, but just getting into building "eroica" rides. My biggest problem is not being able to figure out what parts I want installed as I have about 2 dozen frames worth of parts and only 20 frames to fit.
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