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Old 11-11-20, 08:53 AM
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Not only does it have the benefits I have listed it also takes the pressure of your penis!
I have never had a compelling reason to want a device that measures the pressure of my penis.

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Originally Posted by CargoDane View Post
LOL, no, some things doesn't need to be tried to dismiss it. I don't need to try homeopathy either to know it doesn't work. But at least homeopathy won't have any bad side effects (it's water).

It's not about not liking "new ideas". It's that some ideas are just outright stupid (free energy, more output while providing less input etc.).

You must believe everything the government says! To bad!
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You must believe everything the government says! To bad!
LOL, and the "sheeple" comments have begun! Excellent! Please keep it going, I find it hilarious.
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Originally Posted by CargoDane View Post
LOL, and the "sheeple" comments have begun! Excellent! Please keep it going, I find it hilarious.

I have reduced everything to ONE RULE! That rule is 'DON'T WORK LIFE!" In other words do everything the EASY WAY and make life COME TO YOU

not the other way round! Try it!
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Originally Posted by hotman637 View Post
I have reduced everything to ONE RULE! That rule is 'DON'T WORK LIFE!" In other words do everything the EASY WAY and make life COME TO YOU

not the other way round! Try it!
Sounds like laziness to me. Is it something you're proud of - not even attempting to make an effort?
But, more importantly: What is the relevance here?
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Originally Posted by CargoDane View Post
Sounds like laziness to me. Is it something you're proud of - not even attempting to make an effort?
But, more importantly: What is the relevance here?

What is the relevance of Homeopathy? The relevance of this is "Don't Work Life!" Try it!
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Originally Posted by hotman637 View Post
What is the relevance of Homeopathy? The relevance of this is "Don't Work Life!" Try it!
The relevance of homeopathy was explained: It was another thing that can easily be dismissed as having no merit whatsoever.

As for trying being lazy. No thanks. Another dumb idea that can easily be dismissed. You still haven't answered 1) what is the relevance of telling people they should "try it" when you're talking about laziness?

Secondly (it should be first): Can you explain the mechanics of that "balance" thing you advocate, can you explain how having a whole third of your weight on your hands (ouch!) somehow makes things more efficient, and can you explain how you can get more energy out with less effort. As you should know: If that was possible, that discovery could power the universe in the end.
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Originally Posted by hotman637 View Post
I tried moving my seat ONE INCH higher and tipped it all the way forward and down (45 degrees)!

I then moved my handle bars ONE INCH down!

In other words I TIPPED my entire body ONE INCH forward!

It was GREAT! It takes your weight OFF YOUR ASS and puts it on your PEDALS where it belongs!

It is FREE SPEED because you get at least TWO GEARS and you go 3 to 5 % FASTER with LESS effort!

The bike also handles FAR BETTER because you DON'T STEER you just LEAN!

The idea is to have ONE THIRD of your weight on you ASS and ONE THIRD on your pedals and ONE THIRD on your hands!

The bike GOES FASTER and handles better! Try it!
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Originally Posted by CargoDane View Post
The relevance of homeopathy was explained: It was another thing that can easily be dismissed as having no merit whatsoever.

As for trying being lazy. No thanks. Another dumb idea that can easily be dismissed. You still haven't answered 1) what is the relevance of telling people they should "try it" when you're talking about laziness?

Secondly (it should be first): Can you explain the mechanics of that "balance" thing you advocate, can you explain how having a whole third of your weight on your hands (ouch!) somehow makes things more efficient, and can you explain how you can get more energy out with less effort. As you should know: If that was possible, that discovery could power the universe in the end.

You don't get more energy you get more SPEED! You get more speed cause you have LESS weight on your ASS and more on your PEDALS!

"Laziness" is not really accurate! It is more like playing hard to get! I got the idea from the book "The Rules" where a woman

NEVER approaches a man when she is wants to get married! She waits for the man to approach her! We play "hard to get" at life

and life COMES TO US!
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You don't get more energy you get more SPEED! You get more speed cause you have LESS weight on your ASS and more on your PEDALS!
Not quite true; You claimed 2 more gears, more speed, yet it was "easier" (i.e. less energy spent)

"Laziness" is not really accurate! It is more like playing hard to get! I got the idea from the book "The Rules" where a woman

NEVER approaches a man when she is wants to get married! She waits for the man to approach her! We play "hard to get" at life

and life COMES TO US!
LOL, trying to live life like that sounds horrific. It isyou trying to live a whole life after a motto-like platitude. Some things you have to fight for to get it. You can't play "hard to get" with life. If you do, you will achieve nothing, and all you'll be doing is waiting (while not learning anything at all.).

You still haven't answered the rest of the questions that need to be answered in order to even entertain your idea a little bit. "Balance!" is simply not a good enough answer.

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Of you push hard enough on your pedals your rear lifts automatically. And if you stand completely, even more weight is on the pedals. Neither is "easier" than sitting on your saddle. That's what it's for. You don't do 50 miles (or 100) standing up - or even half standing up and think that's easier for your legs.

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Old 11-12-20, 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by CargoDane View Post
Not quite true; You claimed 2 more gears, more speed, yet it was "easier" (i.e. less energy spent)



LOL, trying to live life like that sounds horrific. It isyou trying to live a whole life after a motto-like platitude. Some things you have to fight for to get it. You can't play "hard to get" with life. If you do, you will achieve nothing, and all you'll be doing is waiting (while not learning anything at all.).

You still haven't answered the rest of the questions that need to be answered in order to even entertain your idea a little bit. "Balance!" is simply not a good enough answer.

"Playing hard to get" makes your life easier AND you go faster! Same with tipping your seat down! Its MAGIC!
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"Playing hard to get" makes your life easier AND you go faster! Same with tipping your seat down! Its MAGIC!
There is no such thing as magic. And I think you just gave yourself away as a sock for someone.
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Originally Posted by hotman637 View Post
You don't get more energy you get more SPEED! You get more speed cause you have LESS weight on your ASS and more on your PEDALS!

"Laziness" is not really accurate! It is more like playing hard to get! I got the idea from the book "The Rules" where a woman

NEVER approaches a man when she is wants to get married! She waits for the man to approach her! We play "hard to get" at life

and life COMES TO US!
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Wow, this thread sure went south. I was going to comment but.................
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Moderation note. Please return the discussion to saddle tilt and stop the off topic discussion. Thank you.
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Originally Posted by Andrey View Post
LOL.
Why would you even sit on your penis?

You don't IF you tilt your seat all the way forward and down and you put your weight on your ass and feet and hands!
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I read somewhere that pro racers are tilting their saddles down in the front to tilt their pelvis and get a flatter lower back to be more aero. A coworker had his saddle tilted down and it bothered everyone who knew something about fit. I used to use a level to get my saddles perfect but when riding distances, 50+ miles I would get a numbness in my package so I started tilting my saddles a little tip down. Its not pronounced but it worked. I don't ride much more than 30 miles at a time these days. My bars are all set below my saddle and I'm older and pretty over weight these days but I don't have problems with my hands or shoulders or neck.

I think fit is what ever you are comfortable with. Just get out and ride...
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I read somewhere that pro racers are tilting their saddles down in the front to tilt their pelvis and get a flatter lower back to be more aero. A coworker had his saddle tilted down and it bothered everyone who knew something about fit. I used to use a level to get my saddles perfect but when riding distances, 50+ miles I would get a numbness in my package so I started tilting my saddles a little tip down. Its not pronounced but it worked. I don't ride much more than 30 miles at a time these days. My bars are all set below my saddle and I'm older and pretty over weight these days but I don't have problems with my hands or shoulders or neck.

I think fit is what ever you are comfortable with. Just get out and ride...
That is all I was saying! It is just that I took it to an extreme and it worked for me and I have seen it work for others and that is why I say TRY IT and YOU DECIDE!
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Originally Posted by Jmpierce View Post
I read somewhere that pro racers are tilting their saddles down in the front to tilt their pelvis and get a flatter lower back to be more aero. A coworker had his saddle tilted down and it bothered everyone who knew something about fit. I used to use a level to get my saddles perfect but when riding distances, 50+ miles I would get a numbness in my package so I started tilting my saddles a little tip down. Its not pronounced but it worked. I don't ride much more than 30 miles at a time these days. My bars are all set below my saddle and I'm older and pretty over weight these days but I don't have problems with my hands or shoulders or neck.

I think fit is what ever you are comfortable with. Just get out and ride...
30,50 or even a 100 miles are not long rides. Most new riders do not know about the balance test and that is why that tilt the saddle down, because they sit on their penis like it was mentioned in the above comments. If you do, try a different saddle. I still have to see a rider with tiled down saddle position that will not slide forward on the saddle. Some interesting videos to watch from a professional bike fitter:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyE67jKp1To&ab_channel=BikeFitAdviser
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53vbdNrkev0&ab_channel=BikeFitAdviser

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DW-J...BikeFitAdviser
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30,50 or even a 100 miles are not long rides.
100mi isnt a long ride?
dude.

Of course a 100mi ride is long. Maybe .1% of recreational rides in the US are over 100mi. Relatively few recreational cyclists, even enthusiasts, ride a century. And even fewer ride them with any sort of regularity. That is because...they are long rides.
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100mi isnt a long ride?
dude.

Of course a 100mi ride is long. Maybe .1% of recreational rides in the US are over 100mi. Relatively few recreational cyclists, even enthusiasts, ride a century. And even fewer ride them with any sort of regularity. That is because...they are long rides.
You are absolutely right. 100 miles is a a long ride for most cyclists. I'll take it back.

(I meant to say that a pro or very fit rider can get away with very aggressive position, on a ride lake that, compromising comfort)
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I'm not sure if you can tell or not but my saddle is pointed down.
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I'm not sure if you can tell or not but my saddle is pointed down.
That saddle is likely flexible enough that you're sitting in a shallow trough that is effectively level where your weight is centered. That's why riders can often get away with using a saddle that's tilted down a couple of degrees.

The less flexible the saddle, the closer to level the saddle will be, assuming that the rider does enough mileage for the bike fit to matter. I can't recall seeing any pictures of pro riders with their saddles set more than a degree or two away from dead level, if at all.
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You are absolutely right. 100 miles is a a long ride for most cyclists. I'll take it back.

(I meant to say that a pro or very fit rider can get away with very aggressive position, on a ride lake that, compromising comfort)
At 20mph (pretty fast average speed) and no breaks, that will take you five hours. Claiming it isn't a long ride to you is just ridiculous. It's a weird way of bragging.

Edit: I see on your profile that one of your interests is "long distance cycling". So, basically "going light and go far". If 100 miles is not "long distance", what constitutes "long distance"? 406 miles in 24h?

https://omniumcargo.dk/2013/06/02/655km-in-24-hours/

No, that's not me. I consider things like that to be stunts and not really what one could do unless going superlight and have someone pick you up in a van.It's an average of 17 mph.

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