From my post above:

Not only the practical "making it difficult," it also drives a wedge through the C&V community. "Your bike does not belong here." And that is antithetical to what this forum has historically been about.

Too bad it doesn't require some ridiculous scheme to do it.

How about on a four-cog freewheel?

-Kurt

You're right that post-Waters Floyd is neither C nor V.

But a soulful ballad like Sara Smile is, absolutely, 100%.

Just like early '70s BÖC.


"It's all right!"

I think the definition of "classic" with music, much like with bikes, depends on how it's being used. To me, classic can be used as "that's a classic!" as in, it's an important, stand out piece of work that is noted in history; like a Shelby Cobra, or Frampton Comes Alive. The other way is classic as in a time period/epoch, etc. Like, classical music. For the most part, orchestral music from the 1600-early 1900's is all lumped together as "classical" music - or any cars built between 1940-1980 are classic cars, etc.

For the purposes of this forum discussion, I like to think of classic in terms of the time frame: so there's a vintage epoch, and a classic epoch of bikes. And yes, it's a moving time frame because of the spacetime continuum. However, the type of bikes & components meld into each other pretty well, and frames from both periods have parts that swap back and forth depending on tastes. So I think keeping everything together in one forum makes the most sense.

And for the record, The Division Bell is absolutely a classic album that features some of Gilmour's best guitar playing & lyrics (thanks Polly Samson). A Momentary Lapse was a definite 80's album, but it gave us Sorrow, On the Turning Away, & Terminal Frost. Gilmour's subsequent solo albums have also been real good - though On An Island was light years better than Rattle That Lock. Is the Division Bell as classic as the likes of Dark Side, WYWH, Animals, or The Wall? No, those are huge culturally/musically impactful albums. But it's still a great album from a great band. Just like my 1994 Specialized isn't a ground breaking bike, but it's a good frame from the respected company.

Get off my subforum, er, lawn!

...it would be cool to have a "Specialized Only" forum. I can imagine long rants about how Mike Sinyard is the earthly presence of Beelzebub, and how wonderful some of the bikes are, considering the ethical and moral bankruptcy of a company that sues everyone over intellectual property and proprietary rights, along with the history of their early mountain bike origins. I would definitely follow that forum.

I am not likely to ever visit that other forum. I spend almost all my time in C&V. I occasionally dip my toes in the Road and Commuting forums, more for the topical discussion than for the bikes. I was sort of indifferent about the whole thing until I realized that mods are actively going through and moving threads into this new forum.

Quoted from the other linked thread:
At first I thought [MENTION=168558]Drillium Dude[/MENTION] posted his stunning Davidson in that forum to get the ball rolling over there. Same with [MENTION=203117]jamesdak[/MENTION] and his (classic but maybe not quite vintage enough?) Pinarello Monviso. Now I realized those threads were likely moved by the mods. I probably never would have bothered to look over there, and would have missed these beautiful, classic , KOF builds from people I consider "C&V BF members." I'd be bummed if that was my thread and I wanted to share those bikes with the community with which I most associate. I consider myself a bit of a retro-grouch curmudgeon, but I'm happy to see those bikes/threads in the C&V forum.

EDIT:
I see the "Retro Roadies - old frames with STI or Ergos" thread has been moved, too

I've got a '85 De Rosa Pro I built with 9-speed ergos. It's built with a mix of 80s and 90s Chorus/C-Record/Record. The truth is, the frame doesn't look much different from an early 90s De Rosa Pro. I've posted a photo of this bike in that "Retro Roadies with STI..." thread. I think that thread should remain in C&V. It's specifically for C&V bikes "upgraded" with brifters, not bikes from the early brifter era. It's a slippery slope and an unnecessary division of our interests imho.

Did I think an additional sub forum was needed? No, not really. I had no issue with those falling into C&V if posters felt that's where they'd get the best results.
Will I visit it? Yeah probably, maybe on an as needed basis. Mostly if I picked up a bike in that category and need some advice.

Admin made a decision, will it change my life? No.
Whatever, another sub forum on an internet forum. Read or scroll by, life goes on.

I believe that requires a more complicated cable routing:

Engineered in the UK, then?

-Kurt

Yeah, mods moved that Pinarello one for whatever reason. Just got a PM saying it had been moved and was like WTH?? I post for my "family" and my family is C&V.

While I appreciate the proactive stance and the effort of the mods, this move might have been a little premature, IMO. What unites us in this community is not so much the exact age of bikes or parts, but the way we look at bikes (and life in general, for that matter). C&V is my favorite online watering hole. I enjoy the folks here, and whether the topic is 1950's tubing characteristics, early Weinmann brifters or the belief shared by some that cats would exterminate humanity if they could, matters less to me.

Removing popular threads like "Retro Roadies - old frames with STI or Ergos" is quite unfortunate. I liked (note the past tense) that thread.

Retro Roadies? Nooooooo!!!!!

“We got a present for you.”

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Yup agreed. [MENTION=29430]Siu Blue Wind[/MENTION] can we officially end the experiment now and get the threads moved back to C&V and the brifter forum closed? The consensus is that we'd like it all within C&V.

Report the post and ask that it get moved to where it belongs.

I was wondering if they were going to purge those threads from the road bike forum also?

So will all threads about MTBs that are in 'general' be moved to the 'MTB' forum?
Will all threads about road bikes that are in 'general' be moved to the 'road' forum?
Will all threads about MTBs that are in 'C&V' be moved to the 'MTB' forum?
Will all threads about early hybrids that are in C&V' be moved to the 'Hybrid' forum?
And then there are the touring/bikepacking threads that are started and left in 'General'.

Clearly where threads are allowed to stay is more of a guideline than a rule, so...
Stop moving threads to the new forum without checking to see if the OP wants it there.

If people can post where they want, then let the threads stay where the person wanted.

I resemble that remark....

Now I’m real confused about the purpose of this forum.

It's a special place for people who think their bikes are cool but are wrong. I should be going over there now.

I am not the owner of this forum, so I don't get to decide.

But I can tell you what its meaning is to me: a place where I can log in after a long and tedious day at work and exchange thoughts with like-minded people who are interested in classic and vintage bikes. The technology, the history, the stories behind them and their fitness to provide joy to their owners in the 21st century. For instance by fitting modern components. Whether you agree or approve is not the real issue. I have learned a lot from other members' projects, and they - both members and projects - have really added to my enjoying life in general and bikes in particular.

My two cents.