1953 Holdsworth Whirlwind
10-23-24 | 12:58 PM
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1953 Holdsworth Whirlwind
Hiya Folks,
I've been retired for the last 15 years, but it becomes offical in a couple of months: UK state pension.
So I definitely deserve a retirement present, and Ebay obliged.
I've seen one Holdsworth Whirlwind on Ebay in the last 3 years, then last week 2 turn up.
I got the first one, and there's still one on there (collection only from Cambridge).
So here's mine: 23" in flamboyant magenta
Edit: Turns out it's cromovelato magenta.
It's a bit rusty but I think it's all surface rust, some of the chrome is iffy though.
All I've done so far is toothbrush with white spirit.
And here's the best of the 70 year old original paint:
Forks have the most chrome rust:
"Whirlwind" on the TT:
Currently:
I'm planning how to build it, so far
I've been retired for the last 15 years, but it becomes offical in a couple of months: UK state pension.
So I definitely deserve a retirement present, and Ebay obliged.
I've seen one Holdsworth Whirlwind on Ebay in the last 3 years, then last week 2 turn up.
I got the first one, and there's still one on there (collection only from Cambridge).
So here's mine: 23" in flamboyant magenta
Edit: Turns out it's cromovelato magenta.
It's a bit rusty but I think it's all surface rust, some of the chrome is iffy though.
All I've done so far is toothbrush with white spirit.
And here's the best of the 70 year old original paint:
Forks have the most chrome rust:
"Whirlwind" on the TT:
Currently:
Brampton Alatet headset (rusty)
Bayliss Wiley 23 cottered (fine)
Single DS shifter braze on (original - it's painted).
Weight: frame 1980g (inc fixed cup), forks 753g, total 2733g = 6.03lbs
.Bayliss Wiley 23 cottered (fine)
Single DS shifter braze on (original - it's painted).
Weight: frame 1980g (inc fixed cup), forks 753g, total 2733g = 6.03lbs
I'm planning how to build it, so far
repaint in flamboyant magenta - I really like the colour (no it's not pink 
)
700c tubulars
spread rear from 114 to 120 for SunTour New Winner ultra 6
Keep cottered crank if I can - Stronglight do steel cottered cranks for 50.4 rings
Remove DT brazeon for band-on double DT shifters
)700c tubulars
spread rear from 114 to 120 for SunTour New Winner ultra 6
Keep cottered crank if I can - Stronglight do steel cottered cranks for 50.4 rings
Remove DT brazeon for band-on double DT shifters
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10-23-24 | 02:17 PM
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shift lever braze-on -
both Simplex & Huret offered dual clamp-on downtube controls where one boss is brazed-on
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crown appears Vagner Nr. 11+
pump pegs Cyclo
seat stay bridge NERVEX
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shift lever braze-on -
both Simplex & Huret offered dual clamp-on downtube controls where one boss is brazed-on
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crown appears Vagner Nr. 11+
pump pegs Cyclo
seat stay bridge NERVEX
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10-23-24 | 03:51 PM
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But I think it was set up for a single DS shifter:
DS cable stops either side of bottom bracket - presumably for a short length of cable outer at bottom bracket
No cable stops NDS
.No cable stops NDS
So I have to do one of
1) Cable outers
add NDS cable stop for FD cable outer
.2) Clamp on cable guide
probably remove DS bottom bracket cable stops
use clamp on down tube cable guide
use clamp on down tube cable guide
10-23-24 | 05:30 PM
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That’s a terrific frameset! I’d imagine original setup was 1 x 5 with a Cyclo shift lever, hence the lack of braze ons for FD cable routing as you point out. If it were mine, I’d keep it that way, but certainly you’d get more range with more gears. Is the rear spaced at 120mm?
10-23-24 | 06:28 PM
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That’s a terrific frameset! I’d imagine original setup was 1 x 5 with a Cyclo shift lever, hence the lack of braze ons for FD cable routing as you point out. If it were mine, I’d keep it that way, but certainly you’d get more range with more gears. Is the rear spaced at 120mm?
There's a 1955 one on Ebay (Cambridge) with a 4 speed IGH: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/267037721...Bk9SR9TXn-LWZA
That might explain 114.
But my 1961 Cyclone was 114/95 when I got it and Holdsworth were advertising 10 speed in 1961. It's now 120mm with New Winner ultra 6.
I understand keeping it at 114 but 120 is much more useful, and I intend to ride it.
10-23-24 | 06:56 PM
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Likewise with 7-speed freewheels, some of my 126 frame/hub combos worked great, others need 128mm.
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10-23-24 | 08:54 PM
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Official retirement>>>>>n+1🤔
You have a neat project there.
You have a neat project there.
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10-23-24 | 09:54 PM
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for the date you have determined manual ("suicide") front mechs were very much in production and use
so the absence of front gear cable provision does not rule out the possibility of a two plateau drive train
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for the date you have determined manual ("suicide") front mechs were very much in production and use
so the absence of front gear cable provision does not rule out the possibility of a two plateau drive train
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10-24-24 | 02:04 PM
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My early '50s Armstrong Consort has the single boss, and as Neal pointed out, was also originally equipped with a Cyclo derailleur. My 1950 Sun Wasp is the same, just with DB 531 tubing instead of the straight-gauge of the Armstrong. They both ride wonderfully, all these years later, with the Armstrong currently in fixed mode and the Wasp running a 1950 Sturmey FM four-speed medium ratio IGH, just like the bike at your ebay link (which has a '55 dated hub). I can say that the FM is really excellent for spirited riding, though I am careful with it. I will stay far away from that ebay link. This era of British cycling in terms of equipment, popularity in that country, and of course the huge variety of framebuilders makes it one of the best rabbit holes to fall into for the C&V enthusiast.
10-25-24 | 07:56 AM
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Cyclo 1953 version
https://velobase.com/ViewComponent.a...m=113&AbsPos=0
I'm not sure I'm ready for that much history, I'll have to investigate.
It would suit my riding style though - rarely switch front ring unless hills etc.
Edit: My interest is definitely piqued.
Edit2: https://davesbikeblog.squarespace.com...-shifters.html
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10-25-24 | 09:05 AM
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Just tried the braze-on thread and I don't think it's M5 x 0.8mm.
Apparently early Huret is 5mm x 1mm.
Thread of Cyclo Benelux shifter braze-on
Apparently early Huret is 5mm x 1mm.
Thread of Cyclo Benelux shifter braze-on
10-25-24 | 03:20 PM
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Just tried the braze-on thread and I don't think it's M5 x 0.8mm.
Apparently early Huret is 5mm x 1mm.
Thread of Cyclo Benelux shifter braze-on
Apparently early Huret is 5mm x 1mm.
Thread of Cyclo Benelux shifter braze-on
1951-52 Sun Manxman road bike
Looks like a fun project.
10-25-24 | 03:54 PM
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That rear brake bridge alone is worth the price of admission.
I don't have the inclination for another hobby, but it would be interesting to compile a list of where the British name their bicycles, and their cars, after their aircraft. They certainly "recycle" the names. Or... just a coincidence?
I don't have the inclination for another hobby, but it would be interesting to compile a list of where the British name their bicycles, and their cars, after their aircraft. They certainly "recycle" the names. Or... just a coincidence?
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10-25-24 | 04:37 PM
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That rear brake bridge alone is worth the price of admission.
I don't have the inclination for another hobby, but it would be interesting to compile a list of where the British name their bicycles, and their cars, after their aircraft. They certainly "recycle" the names. Or... just a coincidence?
I don't have the inclination for another hobby, but it would be interesting to compile a list of where the British name their bicycles, and their cars, after their aircraft. They certainly "recycle" the names. Or... just a coincidence?
I already knew the story behind the Holdsworth 'Sirocco' name but while finding a reference I found this:
https://www.classiclightweights.co.u...hirlwind-1952/
It's 'well known' these days that the wind is actually spelled 'scirocco' but apparently Holdsworth didn't know that and named it 'sirocco'
and renamed it the next year as 'whirlwind'.
The reference says 1952 Sirocco with
Stronglight 49D with 46/36 TA Cyclotourist rings
Campagnolo Gran Sport rear
French Cyclo front
regina 14-16-18-21-24 freewheel.
.Campagnolo Gran Sport rear
French Cyclo front
regina 14-16-18-21-24 freewheel.
So that's a 1952 10 speed Whirlwind with Cyclo FD + 49D/TA and 5 speed on the back.
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10-27-24 | 07:02 AM
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Ok, Cunning Plan #2
Front:
The only real problems I can see are
RD max cog 28 seems ok for the period - Campy Gran Sport were doing 26T spec / 28 usually.
RD wrap is the issue - Campy Gran Sport is around 20, the plan above needs around 14+16 = 30.
Simplex 303 Tourist (54-58) might work: max cog 28, wrap 34.
Or there are several long cage mods to Campy Record / Nuovo RDs.
Anybody want to suggest alternatives for
Obviously I could just use a SunTour Cyclone but I'm thinking of being relatively correct period wise.
Front:
Cyclo Benelux lever or Simplex Competition lever - don't need to change any braze-ons
Simplex Retrofriction (1973) RH shifter - may need to rethread braze-on. Not very period but good
(Cottered BB + Stronglight Competition 55) or (new BB + Stronglight 49D)
TA Cyclotourist rings: 50/34 probably but could reduce 50 and just ride slower
RearSimplex Retrofriction (1973) RH shifter - may need to rethread braze-on. Not very period but good
(Cottered BB + Stronglight Competition 55) or (new BB + Stronglight 49D)
TA Cyclotourist rings: 50/34 probably but could reduce 50 and just ride slower
Spread to 5speed 120mm - 10 speed was available in 1952 (https://www.classiclightweights.co.u...hirlwind-1952/)
New Winner ultra 6 (13 or 14) - 28 (or 32 if possible)
.New Winner ultra 6 (13 or 14) - 28 (or 32 if possible)
The only real problems I can see are
some parts are relatively rare
periodish RDs don't have much wrap
.periodish RDs don't have much wrap
RD max cog 28 seems ok for the period - Campy Gran Sport were doing 26T spec / 28 usually.
RD wrap is the issue - Campy Gran Sport is around 20, the plan above needs around 14+16 = 30.
Simplex 303 Tourist (54-58) might work: max cog 28, wrap 34.
Or there are several long cage mods to Campy Record / Nuovo RDs.
Anybody want to suggest alternatives for
front RH shifter
RD
.RD
Obviously I could just use a SunTour Cyclone but I'm thinking of being relatively correct period wise.
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10-27-24 | 10:19 AM
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The Benelux rod front derailleur is effective and a lot of fun. I highly recommend it. Caveat: I am using 46-49T on the Grubb, so do not know how the Benelux rod handles a wider spread. I wouldn't bother spreading your drops. You should be able to get a 5-speed (120mm) axle in there just by pulling them out a bit.I just did this on my Lenton Grand Prix (I plan to go back to the correct 4-speed freewheel). The Simplex 303 Touriste is a great derailleur and I have it on my Barnard. The axle-mount variation (versus the chainstay mount) is hard to find. I run it with 14-28T 4-speed freewheel. I have gotten away with using the 1957 Cyclo/Benelux Mk7 with a 28T low sprocket, but can not say how the earlier, 1953 Cyclo r.d. would react to that big sprocket. I think 32T is stretching your luck while remaining period-correct. Very nice amount of chain-wrap with the 303 Touriste:
On twenty-four tooth sprocket of 4-speed block: 14-19-24-28T
On twenty-four tooth sprocket of 4-speed block: 14-19-24-28T
One of the comments is
I have some vintage British bikes set up with Huret, Simplex, and
Benelux lever front shifters. The Huret is awkward to use though
admirable in mechanism; you have to bend way down to work it.
You dare not shift it safely without looking. The Simplex and
Benelux can both be easily shifted without looking. I reach down
and run my hand a bit down the seat tube to locate them. The
Simplex is better at upshifting a large chainring difference,
because the derailleur cage moves in an upward motion while
shifting outward. The Benelux cage moves laterally when shifted,
and while it will shift a large chainring difference, the Simplex is a
bit better at it. All three will shift the period-correct half step
front chainring difference quite well. I enjoy shifting with them
because they are so distinctive. ....Peter Brueggeman
.Benelux lever front shifters. The Huret is awkward to use though
admirable in mechanism; you have to bend way down to work it.
You dare not shift it safely without looking. The Simplex and
Benelux can both be easily shifted without looking. I reach down
and run my hand a bit down the seat tube to locate them. The
Simplex is better at upshifting a large chainring difference,
because the derailleur cage moves in an upward motion while
shifting outward. The Benelux cage moves laterally when shifted,
and while it will shift a large chainring difference, the Simplex is a
bit better at it. All three will shift the period-correct half step
front chainring difference quite well. I enjoy shifting with them
because they are so distinctive. ....Peter Brueggeman
So that's Huret off the list and I'm guessing Cyclo Benelux is what was originally fitted.
But I can't find an indication of what range was shiftable.
I forgot to check Cyclo RDs, interesting:
Cyclo Benelux Tourist
10-27-24 | 10:58 AM
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^^ I'm using the Benelux Tourist and suicide shifter on my 1956 Ernie Clements, both work quite well. 14-26 rear, 49-40 front. I've learned to shift the front using my leg so I don't have to reach down, I gotten pretty good at it.
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10-27-24 | 11:44 AM
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Bikes: 1982 Holdsworth Avanti (531), 1961 Holdsworth Cyclone, 1953 Holdsworth Whirlwind
Benelux Tourist is on Ebay.co.uk for around £160 - £200 so that may have to wait for a while.
But there are some suicide shifters.
Claims to be Cyclo but I can't match it with Velobase:
On the upside I've worked out my frame only had one chainring originally.
Bottom bracket has a Bayliss Wiley no 23 axle which is apparently "Single ring with derailleur"
from https://www.classiclightweights.co.u...acket-lengths/
But there are some suicide shifters.
Claims to be Cyclo but I can't match it with Velobase:
"MISSING ITS BAND ON CLAMP, THOUGH THIS WOULD BE EASY TO REPLACE"
Not sure I would believe that.
Not sure I would believe that.
On the upside I've worked out my frame only had one chainring originally.
Bottom bracket has a Bayliss Wiley no 23 axle which is apparently "Single ring with derailleur"
from https://www.classiclightweights.co.u...acket-lengths/
10-28-24 | 09:40 AM
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On Velobase the Cyclo Benelux and Simplex shifters have the long rod with a knob on the top which is near the seat tube.
This one on Ebay (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/296212780669) looks more like a Huret but is definitely marked "Cyclo made in France"
Velobase Huret:
Ebay "Cyclo made in France"
The Ebay one (and 3 like it) are around £45.
Seems to me I should avoid them, but they do look like a Cyclo copy of the Huret.
10-28-24 | 01:12 PM
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Bikes: 1982 Holdsworth Avanti (531), 1961 Holdsworth Cyclone, 1953 Holdsworth Whirlwind
Yay, Saint Sheldon to the rescue.
https://www.sheldonbrown.com/tooltips/bbcups.html
Fixed cup was being a pain.
So 4 days of penetrating oil, then a 5/8 bolt.
Applied the socket set and my 4 foot scaffolding pole cheater bar.
It just sighed and gave in
No damage to anything.
But with my tiny desk vice it was tricky getting the bolt off again.
Weight now: Frame 1930g, fork 745g, total 2675g (5.9 lbs)
That's my biggest frame, oldest frame, and lightest frame.
https://www.sheldonbrown.com/tooltips/bbcups.html
Fixed cup was being a pain.
So 4 days of penetrating oil, then a 5/8 bolt.
Applied the socket set and my 4 foot scaffolding pole cheater bar.
It just sighed and gave in
No damage to anything.
But with my tiny desk vice it was tricky getting the bolt off again.
Weight now: Frame 1930g, fork 745g, total 2675g (5.9 lbs)
That's my biggest frame, oldest frame, and lightest frame.
10-28-24 | 01:37 PM
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Cool bike. Looks like it will be a fun project. Good luck with the build.
10-28-24 | 05:24 PM
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11-03-24 | 12:12 PM
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And while researching Williams C34 chainrings I found this from 2017:
https://forum.cyclinguk.org/viewtopic.php?t=113981
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So that's somebody shifting 48/34 on the front with a Simplex rod FD
And another 'vote' for Cyclo Benelux Tourist.
https://forum.cyclinguk.org/viewtopic.php?t=113981
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I have a '54 Claud New All Rounder with a single d/t shifter braze on.
My double setup is a Cyclo-Benelux Tourist rear mech, Simplex clanger
aka rod operated front mech. Stronglight 49d with new 48/34 TA chain rings.
BB is a Stronglight.
.My double setup is a Cyclo-Benelux Tourist rear mech, Simplex clanger
aka rod operated front mech. Stronglight 49d with new 48/34 TA chain rings.
BB is a Stronglight.
So that's somebody shifting 48/34 on the front with a Simplex rod FD
And another 'vote' for Cyclo Benelux Tourist.
11-15-24 | 05:19 AM
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Bikes: 1982 Holdsworth Avanti (531), 1961 Holdsworth Cyclone, 1953 Holdsworth Whirlwind
It turns out Williams C34 was the original spec for a Whirlwind with Chater Lea as an upgrade.
I found some cheap cranks, rings (47/40), and double ring bolts for £20
And a Bayliss Wiley #14 spindle for £12.
You can also get C34 chainrings for around £10 each on Ebay.co.uk so plenty of options.
I've also had an idea for RD.
So I looked around on Disraeli gears for 50's options and found Huret Allvit:
It's also available on Ebay and fairly cheap.
Some people think it's not terrible and was actually good for 1958:
So is an Allvit a terrible idea I will regret almost immediately ? or is it a cheap adventure ?
I found some cheap cranks, rings (47/40), and double ring bolts for £20
And a Bayliss Wiley #14 spindle for £12.
You can also get C34 chainrings for around £10 each on Ebay.co.uk so plenty of options.
I've also had an idea for RD.
Cyclo tourist / Simplex Tourist when I can find one at a reasonable price
Something less ideal in the meantime
.Something less ideal in the meantime
So I looked around on Disraeli gears for 50's options and found Huret Allvit:
https://www.disraeligears.co.uk/site/huret_allvit_derailleur_1st_style.html
1958
Max cog 32
Max Wrap 32
.1958
Max cog 32
Max Wrap 32
It's also available on Ebay and fairly cheap.
Some people think it's not terrible and was actually good for 1958:
https://restoringvintagebicycles.com/2020/02/02/huret-allvit-rear-derailleurs/
https://bikeretrogrouch.blogspot.com...et-allvit.html
.https://bikeretrogrouch.blogspot.com...et-allvit.html
So is an Allvit a terrible idea I will regret almost immediately ? or is it a cheap adventure ?
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