Bottom bracket cutout
06-26-25 | 09:18 AM
#3
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Gary Fisher? Waterford?
Just kidding. I don’t know who the offishial maker is.
Just kidding. I don’t know who the offishial maker is.
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1987 Crest C'dale, 1987 Basso Gap, 1992 Rossin EL, 1990 Van Tuyl, 1985 Trek 670, 2003 Pinarello Surprise, 1990ish MBK Atlantique, 1987 Peugeot Isoard, 1987 Nishiki Tri-A, 1981 Faggin, 1996 C'dale M500, 1984 Mercian Pro, 1982 AD SuperLeicht, 1985 Massi ?, 1988 Daccordi Griffe , 1989 Fauxsin MTB, 1981 Ciocc Mockba, 1992 Bianchi Giro, 1977 Colnago Super, 1971 Raleigh Internat'l, 1998 Corratec U+D, 1991 Peugeot Slimestone, 1987 Bianchi Volpe, 1995 Trek 750
1987 Crest C'dale, 1987 Basso Gap, 1992 Rossin EL, 1990 Van Tuyl, 1985 Trek 670, 2003 Pinarello Surprise, 1990ish MBK Atlantique, 1987 Peugeot Isoard, 1987 Nishiki Tri-A, 1981 Faggin, 1996 C'dale M500, 1984 Mercian Pro, 1982 AD SuperLeicht, 1985 Massi ?, 1988 Daccordi Griffe , 1989 Fauxsin MTB, 1981 Ciocc Mockba, 1992 Bianchi Giro, 1977 Colnago Super, 1971 Raleigh Internat'l, 1998 Corratec U+D, 1991 Peugeot Slimestone, 1987 Bianchi Volpe, 1995 Trek 750
06-26-25 | 12:00 PM
#6
I can't make out anything recognizable: animal, vegetable or mineral, except it's blurry.
Most likely a "personal expression one-off"
06-26-25 | 12:31 PM
#8
AH! ^ Now that's a fish!
and now I can sort of see the resemblance...but no shell cut-out I ever saw on a "major brand"
Check out the long series of pix in this "drain holes" thread and see it there's something I missed:
Show us your "Drain Holes" :)
and now I can sort of see the resemblance...but no shell cut-out I ever saw on a "major brand"
Check out the long series of pix in this "drain holes" thread and see it there's something I missed:
Show us your "Drain Holes" :)
06-26-25 | 12:38 PM
#9
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Bikes: 1959 Capo Modell Campagnolo; 1960 Capo Sieger (2); 1962 Carlton Franco Suisse; 1970 Peugeot UO-8; 1982 Bianchi Campione d'Italia; 1988 Schwinn Project KOM-10;
Sounds like another fish story.
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Capo: 1959 Modell Campagnolo, S/N 40324; 1960 Sieger (2), S/N 42624, 42597
Carlton: 1962 Franco Suisse, S/N K7911
Peugeot: 1970 UO-8, S/N 0010468
Bianchi: 1982 Campione d'Italia, S/N 1.M9914
Schwinn: 1988 Project KOM-10, S/N F804069
"Far and away the best prize that life offers is the chance to work hard at work worth doing." --Theodore Roosevelt
Capo: 1959 Modell Campagnolo, S/N 40324; 1960 Sieger (2), S/N 42624, 42597
Carlton: 1962 Franco Suisse, S/N K7911
Peugeot: 1970 UO-8, S/N 0010468
Bianchi: 1982 Campione d'Italia, S/N 1.M9914
Schwinn: 1988 Project KOM-10, S/N F804069
06-26-25 | 12:44 PM
#10
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From: Democratic Peoples' Republic of Berkeley
Bikes: 1967 Paramount; 1982-ish Ron Cooper; 1978 Eisentraut "A"; two mid-1960s Cinelli Speciale Corsas; and others in various stages of non-rideability.
If it is an Eisentraut (and that's a big "if"), then there's a good chance it's a Rainbow 'Traut, Those went out under the Eisentraut name but were a joint effort along with Albert and Ed Litton - a Rainbow 'Traut could have been built by one, the other, or maybe even both of them. Not a bad lineage. Albert and Ed also both made customs under their own names during the Rainbow era.
BTW, although Ed worked with Albert, he did not learn frame building from Albert - Ed learned from Bernie Mikkelson. I got this directly from Ed himself, so I'm pretty confident about my source.
BTW, although Ed worked with Albert, he did not learn frame building from Albert - Ed learned from Bernie Mikkelson. I got this directly from Ed himself, so I'm pretty confident about my source.
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06-26-25 | 12:52 PM
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Crawlin' up, flyin' down
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From: Democratic Peoples' Republic of Berkeley
Bikes: 1967 Paramount; 1982-ish Ron Cooper; 1978 Eisentraut "A"; two mid-1960s Cinelli Speciale Corsas; and others in various stages of non-rideability.
Another thought - There was a small operation (husband and wife) that made Coho (as in salmon) frames for a few years maybe 20 years ago or so. I saw them at one or two NAHBSes. They were very nice, and tended to toward the randonneuring side of things. I will say that the TIG welding on the BB shell makes it less likely to be either a Rainbow 'Traut or a Coho, methinks (and if I'm wrong in that surmise, I'm sure someone will be along shortly to give me my comeuppance 
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06-26-25 | 01:03 PM
#12
don't know much about Albert's line of "Rainbow Trauts" but FWIW the head tube decal looks nothing like the mystery BB shell cut-out.
Plus I've never seen any Eisentraut made frame (of any model or vintage) that had a Tig-welded BB shell...
from a BF thread on a 1987 Rainbow "Traut"
Plus I've never seen any Eisentraut made frame (of any model or vintage) that had a Tig-welded BB shell...
from a BF thread on a 1987 Rainbow "Traut"
06-26-25 | 01:29 PM
#14
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If it is an Eisentraut (and that's a big "if"), then there's a good chance it's a Rainbow 'Traut, Those went out under the Eisentraut name but were a joint effort along with Albert and Ed Litton - a Rainbow 'Traut could have been built by one, the other, or maybe even both of them. Not a bad lineage. Albert and Ed also both made customs under their own names during the Rainbow era.
BTW, although Ed worked with Albert, he did not learn frame building from Albert - Ed learned from Bernie Mikkelson. I got this directly from Ed himself, so I'm pretty confident about my source.
BTW, although Ed worked with Albert, he did not learn frame building from Albert - Ed learned from Bernie Mikkelson. I got this directly from Ed himself, so I'm pretty confident about my source.
06-26-25 | 02:56 PM
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06-26-25 | 05:48 PM
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It's likely a Percheot
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1987 Crest C'dale, 1987 Basso Gap, 1992 Rossin EL, 1990 Van Tuyl, 1985 Trek 670, 2003 Pinarello Surprise, 1990ish MBK Atlantique, 1987 Peugeot Isoard, 1987 Nishiki Tri-A, 1981 Faggin, 1996 C'dale M500, 1984 Mercian Pro, 1982 AD SuperLeicht, 1985 Massi ?, 1988 Daccordi Griffe , 1989 Fauxsin MTB, 1981 Ciocc Mockba, 1992 Bianchi Giro, 1977 Colnago Super, 1971 Raleigh Internat'l, 1998 Corratec U+D, 1991 Peugeot Slimestone, 1987 Bianchi Volpe, 1995 Trek 750
06-26-25 | 06:45 PM
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Bikes: 1967 Paramount; 1982-ish Ron Cooper; 1978 Eisentraut "A"; two mid-1960s Cinelli Speciale Corsas; and others in various stages of non-rideability.
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