Bob Jackson
10-17-07, 07:16 PM
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Bob Jackson
Excuse my ignorance but what quality of bike is a Bob Jackson and what is the companies history. I saw one and wondered about it as to whether it was a good bike or not.
10-17-07, 07:31 PM
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They're not good, but great bikes!
10-17-07, 08:03 PM
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here's the CR page:
https://www.classicrendezvous.com/Bri...bJack_home.htm
started in 1935, still in business.
grew to be the biggest and best known shop in Leeds.. their paint finish is well regarded
being a bigger production shop (not a one man show) quality control has been rumored to be up & down throughout the years..
contracted to build 'Hetchins' for a while in recent times
i ride one (ca. 1973) every day, and it is nice
i paid $100 for it
https://www.classicrendezvous.com/Bri...bJack_home.htm
started in 1935, still in business.
grew to be the biggest and best known shop in Leeds.. their paint finish is well regarded
being a bigger production shop (not a one man show) quality control has been rumored to be up & down throughout the years..
contracted to build 'Hetchins' for a while in recent times
i ride one (ca. 1973) every day, and it is nice
i paid $100 for it
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10-17-07, 08:31 PM
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Bob Jackson also built Merlins after acquiring the name from previously London-based builder. Can't wait to try mine out on the road...but it will have to wait. Yeah, they had some years where quality suffered, but most of the BJs you will find are Great Brit Bikes.
10-17-07, 09:09 PM
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Sheldon:
Jackson frames have always had a bit of a mixed reputation in the United States. Reality, I believe, is somewhere in the middle. Some Jackson frames are absolutely gorgeous and show nice workmanship. In some cases, though, sloppy mitering and less-than-perfect attention to detail give the detractors some valid ammunition for criticism. Even examples that display a few shortcomings are usually quite nice overall - so if you find yourself drawn to the seductive looks of a Bob Jackson frame you probably might as well go for it. Bob Jackson also constructs frames under the Merlin label, not to be confused with the completely unrelated titanium frame manufacturer.
For a great article on Bob Jackson see the book "The Custom Bicycle" from the late 70's. A friend of mine has a Jackson that he has owned for years. It truly is one of the most attractive bicycles I've ever seen. It features great stove enamel, fun contrasting red panels, and rides great. Lots of Bob Jackson frames entered the country through the big mail order houses, so while not totally commonplace these days there are plenty to be found. They were never terribly expensive - and aren't terribly valuable now. For a really nice N.R. bike in guideline condition a value of $800 to $900 is probably fair.
Jackson frames have always had a bit of a mixed reputation in the United States. Reality, I believe, is somewhere in the middle. Some Jackson frames are absolutely gorgeous and show nice workmanship. In some cases, though, sloppy mitering and less-than-perfect attention to detail give the detractors some valid ammunition for criticism. Even examples that display a few shortcomings are usually quite nice overall - so if you find yourself drawn to the seductive looks of a Bob Jackson frame you probably might as well go for it. Bob Jackson also constructs frames under the Merlin label, not to be confused with the completely unrelated titanium frame manufacturer.
For a great article on Bob Jackson see the book "The Custom Bicycle" from the late 70's. A friend of mine has a Jackson that he has owned for years. It truly is one of the most attractive bicycles I've ever seen. It features great stove enamel, fun contrasting red panels, and rides great. Lots of Bob Jackson frames entered the country through the big mail order houses, so while not totally commonplace these days there are plenty to be found. They were never terribly expensive - and aren't terribly valuable now. For a really nice N.R. bike in guideline condition a value of $800 to $900 is probably fair.
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One of the best bikes I ever owned was a Bob Jackson Super Tourist from the mid 70's. It was a custom job and very well built. Unfortunately someone "relieved" me of it...
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10-18-07, 05:20 PM
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Recently? (I know, probably not). Some seller had a Super Tourist with a modern Campy Triple group on ebay for $500 opening bid, $1000 BIN, then he listed it locally on CL for $250 (concurrently reduced starting bid to $250 on ebay). It was gone the same day, despite my efforts with help from a BF local to the bike.
The seller's desperation to sell was a bit of a red flag.
So who got it?
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I've seen excellent examples and mediocre examples on eBay. Seem to be very good bikes overall. Given my choice I'd prefer a Mercian, but Jackson' are good, too.
One just sold this week on eBay for $1,000 -
https://cgi.ebay.com/BOB-JACKSON-SPEC...QQcmdZViewItem
One just sold this week on eBay for $1,000 -
https://cgi.ebay.com/BOB-JACKSON-SPEC...QQcmdZViewItem
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Recently? (I know, probably not). Some seller had a Super Tourist with a modern Campy Triple group on ebay for $500 opening bid, $1000 BIN, then he listed it locally on CL for $250 (concurrently reduced starting bid to $250 on ebay). It was gone the same day, despite my efforts with help from a BF local to the bike.
The seller's desperation to sell was a bit of a red flag.
So who got it?
The seller's desperation to sell was a bit of a red flag.
So who got it?
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10-18-07, 09:04 PM
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I've enjoyed riding the one I picked up last winter (thanks again for the hot tip jgedwa ), but I'm reasonably certain mine will be up for auction after I get its likely replacement built up. It was built as a racing bike, and I'm about 20 years past the point where I could seriously consider racing.
Were it not for the scratches that a less careful previous owner allowed it to sustain, the finish is very, very nice. The bike handles beautifully. I can take lines on corners that many of the racers in my club on modern bikes struggle with.
), but I'm reasonably certain mine will be up for auction after I get its likely replacement built up. It was built as a racing bike, and I'm about 20 years past the point where I could seriously consider racing.Were it not for the scratches that a less careful previous owner allowed it to sustain, the finish is very, very nice. The bike handles beautifully. I can take lines on corners that many of the racers in my club on modern bikes struggle with.
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10-19-07, 11:57 AM
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I'm a bit partial - but my 1973 Bob Jackson is one of the nicest bikes I've ever had. It has beautiful prugnat 55 lugs, is light for a large frame (63cm), and is very well built. It was custom ordered and sold through Gus Betat in New Orleans. Very sweet.
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I ride a 1982 BJ 531C frameset which I bought a few years ago in mint (i.e. never built) condition and built up with Campag period pieces etc. It is an absolutely stunning looking bike with superb paintwork - a mint green with off-white coloured script, lugs picked out in the same colour and silver-grey banding - lined with off-white on the seat-tube, in the centre of which is the red BJ crest. The same crest is on the headtube on a silver-grey background. I have it built up with mudguards and a brown Brooks Pro saddle in a British day-tourer look.
The geometry is comfortable - it is not an out and out touring bike, but it is more relaxed than my Ilkeston Raleigh. It is my Spring-Fall ride.
I highly recommend the earlier BJs - not sure how present-day versions match-up.
The geometry is comfortable - it is not an out and out touring bike, but it is more relaxed than my Ilkeston Raleigh. It is my Spring-Fall ride.
I highly recommend the earlier BJs - not sure how present-day versions match-up.
10-20-07, 12:55 PM
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Here is mine from around 1973. -- Reynolds 531 with Prugnat lugs. -- Full Nuovo Record. Constructed with many subtle details to ensure stable handling and a frameset with just the right stiffness. A great riding bike!
... And good colors for Halloween too.
More photos and details HERE
... And good colors for Halloween too.
More photos and details HERE
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One of my unicorns is a nervex-lugged 50s or 60s Jackson Pista - it's hanging up on the wall of a T.O. bike shop, unlikely to ever be ridden again. 32/40 Airlite hubs... mmmm
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Top quality describes the BJ Touring I found a few years ago. It was baby blue with an ivory head tube & panels, Nervex lugs, full Campagnolo NR. A really a sweet bike.
I had a "to small" 45cm Eisentraut frame for trade bait but couldn't close that deal without adding a chunk of cash. After a lot of haggling, I left with a Specialized Expedition Touring. It was a good trade but the Bob Jackson would have been better.
I had a "to small" 45cm Eisentraut frame for trade bait but couldn't close that deal without adding a chunk of cash. After a lot of haggling, I left with a Specialized Expedition Touring. It was a good trade but the Bob Jackson would have been better.
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have you ever owned a bike and sold it and then several years later wish you had not? my 1974 race competition bj. absolute best lugged steel frame bike i have ever owned. truly a work of art. most people don't know that bj actually made hetchins during the late 70's and early 80's and was the first company to be certified to build 753. the company was sold aned suffered for a number of years and then the bj family bought the company back and has reestblished the quality of old.
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Much better quality with the paint on than off. So keep the paint on.
(I would bet that current production is more consistent than at many points in the marque's past).
(I would bet that current production is more consistent than at many points in the marque's past).
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I'm in the same boat with my Merlin. I recently got the proper BB for the Super Record triple, so as soon as that goes on...it hits the road!
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I have a 1995 BJ Super Tourist. BJ had just taken back control of the brand to sort out all the quality issues that degraded its reputation. I had the first frame he supplied to my local lightweight specialist and it is all well done. The brazing and alignment are good and the paintwork still turns heads today. I got the nod from another BJ owner on my commute a few weeks ago.
I have compared it to a Waterford of similar style but have to admit that Waterford finish is crisper and more stylish. The aspect of my BJ that stands out are the wraparound seatstay ends for massive braze area.
I have compared it to a Waterford of similar style but have to admit that Waterford finish is crisper and more stylish. The aspect of my BJ that stands out are the wraparound seatstay ends for massive braze area.
08-23-17, 07:06 PM
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My 1976 Bob Jackson Tourer
Rode this frame for at least 20K miles. Totally comfortable, true steering, absorbs road bumps. Have passed it on to the next generation of cyclists now that I'm too old and too busy to ride mega-miles.
