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chainwhip 10-01-19 10:27 AM

Thanks Andy_K and BFisher. :beer:

Accelerates nicely with the Zondas on it, but will likely run with some older mavic wheels.
Fit 25c easily, and I may try 28s.

shoota 10-01-19 02:36 PM


Originally Posted by showlow (Post 21136635)
Della Santa built (stamped DS 123) Team Lemond. Repainted orange by a local framebuilder. Full SLX. Ultegra R8000 group, Deda classic bars, NOS Salsa Stem (not sure how I feel about the positive rise yet--normally I have a -17), Thomson post, Fizik saddle, King HS.
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...35afdb7fcf.jpg


Sick build dude. Do you have plans to decal it?

shoota 10-01-19 02:46 PM


Originally Posted by chainwhip (Post 21145887)
Thanks Andy_K and BFisher. :beer:

Accelerates nicely with the Zondas on it, but will likely run with some older mavic wheels.
Fit 25c easily, and I may try 28s.

Those tires in the pic definitely look wider than 25mm IRL.

chainwhip 10-01-19 03:04 PM


Originally Posted by shoota (Post 21146285)
Those tires in the pic definitely look wider than 25mm IRL.

Just measured. PRO4's, about 27.5.

showlow 10-01-19 06:05 PM


Originally Posted by shoota (Post 21146271)
Sick build dude. Do you have plans to decal it?

Thanks. I might if I can find a period correct Lemond decal. Nobody seems to have one.

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...760e5e3ba9.jpg

I actually swapped the stem for an identical -17 degree one. The bike is a little more dialed in this picture.
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...181d5c007c.jpg

shoota 10-01-19 06:07 PM


Originally Posted by showlow (Post 21146483)
Thanks. I might if I can find a period correct Lemond decal. Nobody seems to have one.

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...760e5e3ba9.jpg

I actually swapped the stem for an identical -17 degree one. The bike is a little more dialed in this picture.
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...181d5c007c.jpg

Looks great. What are the measurements on this frame?

showlow 10-01-19 06:49 PM


Originally Posted by shoota (Post 21146488)
Looks great. What are the measurements on this frame?

It's a 57cm. Fits me perfectly.

shoota 10-01-19 06:50 PM


Originally Posted by showlow (Post 21146540)
It's a 57cm. Fits me perfectly.

Let me know when you're ready to sell.

Soody 10-01-19 06:55 PM


Originally Posted by showlow (Post 21146540)
It's a 57cm. Fits me perfectly.

It's such a gorgeous build. I would de-sticker the rims.
and have the decal you want made if you can't find it. I'm sure someone here would be able to produce you something easily enough which you could just have printed.

Lascauxcaveman 10-01-19 08:58 PM


Originally Posted by Soody (Post 21146547)
It's such a gorgeous build. I would de-sticker the rims...

I agree. And I live by my word:

https://live.staticflickr.com/4330/3...fd1509f8_b.jpg

Yeah, it's just a lowly Trek 400, but it's got that orangey goodness thing going on. And a black seat post I added after taking the pic.

tashi 10-02-19 02:45 PM

Turned my Ken Legge from my single speed round town bike in to my winter road bike with a 5700 105 group, V-O Hammered Fenders, and my wife's wheels:

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...8b6b4b4076.jpg

Singlespeed mode w/clubs for pitch 'n put friday.


https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...03d8e25a61.jpg

Ken Legge Rain Bike
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...6f1807f3b2.jpg

Ken Legge Rain Bike

Rides well this way. Incredible amount of toe overlap but has a lively feel, particularly for a bike with clearance for fenders (just). I'm a bit suspicious that the fork is bent but can't see any indications of it. Maybe Ken just likes a lively bike? White Flite, 46cm Noodles and 90mm quill stem are on their way for looks and fit, mid-reach dual pivots are likely as well, the 80's (?) 600 callipers aren't the strongest brakes I've ever used...

showlow 10-02-19 04:00 PM


Originally Posted by shoota (Post 21146542)
Let me know when you're ready to sell.

Sorry. This is one's a lifer.

aciresi132 10-02-19 06:44 PM

I am wanting to purchase a groupset to update my bike to modern. What should I look for to make sure I have the least amount of issues possible as far as compatibility?

sumgy 10-02-19 06:48 PM


Originally Posted by aciresi132 (Post 21147872)
I am wanting to purchase a groupset to update my bike to modern. What should I look for to make sure I have the least amount of issues possible as far as compatibility?

Main thing you will need to check is that you can run the cassette size (9, 10, 11, 12 speed) you want to use on the wheels you have, or be willing to replace the wheels as well.

aciresi132 10-02-19 06:51 PM


Originally Posted by sumgy (Post 21147877)
Main thing you will need to check is that you can run the cassette size (9, 10, 11, 12 speed) you want to use on the wheels you have, or be willing to replace the wheels as well.

What should I look for to know? Im not opposed to new wheels though. But probably want to keep it on the cheaper side.

If I determine I can get a 9 speed on my current wheel, with the modern groupset how do I know it's a 9 speed?

sumgy 10-02-19 06:56 PM


Originally Posted by aciresi132 (Post 21147883)
What should I look for to know? Im not opposed to new wheels though. But probably want to keep it on the cheaper side.

If I determine I can get a 9 speed on my current wheel, with the modern groupset how do I know it's a 9 speed?

Look up the model numbers for the shifters and rear derailleur.
Often if your rear wheel takes 9 speed it will also take at least 10 and 11 speed as well.

due ruote 10-03-19 10:45 AM


Originally Posted by aciresi132 (Post 21147883)
What should I look for to know? Im not opposed to new wheels though. But probably want to keep it on the cheaper side.

If I determine I can get a 9 speed on my current wheel, with the modern groupset how do I know it's a 9 speed?

How many speeds do you currently have? And what is your spacing?

https://www.sheldonbrown.com/frame-spacing.html

seypat 10-03-19 02:04 PM

I'm almost afraid to open this thread anymore. The bikes are so hot, it might burn my eyes looking at them! :D

ski4bob 10-08-19 02:49 PM

Reminds me of my '83 Super Sport Custom Paint and Lettering.
 

Originally Posted by showlow (Post 21146483)
Thanks. I might if I can find a period correct Lemond decal. Nobody seems to have one.

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...760e5e3ba9.jpg

I actually swapped the stem for an identical -17 degree one. The bike is a little more dialed in this picture.
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...181d5c007c.jpg

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...a6e80ab621.jpg

zjrog 10-08-19 04:12 PM

These orange bikes are driving me nuts!!! I'm considering refinishing my 33 year old KHS, and I may consider a darker orange...

gil_00000 10-13-19 07:22 PM

Bridgestone RB-1
 
I'm not finished but it's a decent start. I have some handlebars ordered and some Sram Apex 2x10 brake/shifters waiting. Going to put some cushy Lizard Skin 3.2 tape one once I get everything dialed in.

Don't judge too much it't not done. I'm not sure how long the stem should be so I'm just using what I have. I don't really like the white stem on this bike. Pretty sure I'll stick with black or silver components. Also the seatpost is super high. Just wanted to get it on. I have pedals on a different bike I robbed the saddle from. I'm toying with getting a quill to threadless adapter from Velo Orange. They seem to have a much nicer and longer one that I currently have on it. or

Does anyone have experience with 1" threadless carbon forks? Wondering specifically about the Ritchey 1" threadless carbon fork with aluminum steertube.
https://us.ritcheylogic.com/us_en/bi...rbon-road-fork
I was going to order it through QBP but looking at the Ritchey website, it says the same fork only has clearance for 25mm tires. But QBP says clearance for 28mm. Anyone have this fork?
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...fd3349aec1.jpg

I'm open to other suggestions if anyone knows of a different option.

RiddleOfSteel 10-13-19 09:06 PM

[MENTION=450845]gil_00000[/MENTION] It's a great start, especially with an RB-1 frame. 62cm I presume. :thumb: Tall bikes FTW. Looks like you've got the quill stem conversion going on this--I very much approve of this! I'd keep the original fork because it matches, is original, and looks great! Velo Orange sells a polished/shiny silver threadless stem that would match your (extremely nice) Dura Ace seatpost. All bikes take a little bit of sorting out, not only in fit but also in color composition (if one is so inclined). When I do quill stem conversions, my stems are almost always black, and I find a matching black seatpost to go with it. I'll match saddle to bar tape as well.

If you have a bike or bikes that you love the fit on, take measurements of various parts/distances and copy them over to the RB-1. Mock up the current stem, the bars, and the hoods how you want them and then compare. That will let you know what to change to get it to that set 'ideal' setup. Stems obviously have reach differences, but so do handlebars (almost no one mentions or discusses this critical component) and brake/shifters.

The SRAM stuff will look sharp on that bike (black on red is always a winner). I roll Shimano or Campy like the other eleventy billion people in the world, but do fancy myself a carbon Red crankset (a generation or few back)--all that to say it looks like you're confident in the groupset and it should look and work well.

Black seatpost and stem in combo with a white saddle and bar tape would look devastating, IMO. But that's just one combo. It's hard to lose.

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...1ebd04f43c.jpg

mhespenheide 10-14-19 02:54 AM


Originally Posted by gil_00000 (Post 21162527)
I'm not finished but it's a decent start. I have some handlebars ordered and some Sram Apex 2x10 brake/shifters waiting. Going to put some cushy Lizard Skin 3.2 tape one once I get everything dialed in.

Don't judge too much it't not done. I'm not sure how long the stem should be so I'm just using what I have. I don't really like the white stem on this bike. Pretty sure I'll stick with black or silver components. Also the seatpost is super high. Just wanted to get it on. I have pedals on a different bike I robbed the saddle from. I'm toying with getting a quill to threadless adapter from Velo Orange. They seem to have a much nicer and longer one that I currently have on it. or

Does anyone have experience with 1" threadless carbon forks? Wondering specifically about the Ritchey 1" threadless carbon fork with aluminum steertube.
https://us.ritcheylogic.com/us_en/bi...rbon-road-fork
I was going to order it through QBP but looking at the Ritchey website, it says the same fork only has clearance for 25mm tires. But QBP says clearance for 28mm. Anyone have this fork?
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...fd3349aec1.jpg

I'm open to other suggestions if anyone knows of a different option.

It it, of course, your bike and you're welcome to do with it what you want to -- but I'd stick with the original Bridgestone steel fork. I think that year was made with Ishiwata 019 tubing in the fork, which should give a nice flex to absorb bumps from the road. The '91 model should easily fit 28's, and possibly even a touch larger. I've heard rumors of 28's on truly wide rims fitting (where the tire ends up a true 31-32mm in width).

If you're convinced you want to try carbon, I've got an older Kestrel fork that might work for you. It was off of a 60cm Paramount, so we'd have to check the steerer tube length if your Bridgestone is indeed 62cm. I think my local bike co-op also has a Time or Look 1" threadless carbon fork with alloy steerer, too; I'd have to check the length.

If yours is 62cm, it's one I'd be interested in if you ever decide to move it along. :thumb:

sumgy 10-14-19 03:00 AM


Originally Posted by gil_00000 (Post 21162527)
I'm toying with getting a quill to threadless adapter from Velo Orange. They seem to have a much nicer and longer one that I currently have on it. or

Does anyone have experience with 1" threadless carbon forks? Wondering specifically about the Ritchey 1" threadless carbon fork with aluminum steertube.

My thoughts are don't.
But I just hate the look of quill adapters and modern stems on retro race frames.

Oh, and Brooks saddles. :/

gil_00000 10-14-19 05:07 AM


Originally Posted by mhespenheide (Post 21162768)
It it, of course, your bike and you're welcome to do with it what you want to -- but I'd stick with the original Bridgestone steel fork. I think that year was made with Ishiwata 019 tubing in the fork, which should give a nice flex to absorb bumps from the road. The '91 model should easily fit 28's, and possibly even a touch larger. I've heard rumors of 28's on truly wide rims fitting (where the tire ends up a true 31-32mm in width).

If you're convinced you want to try carbon, I've got an older Kestrel fork that might work for you. It was off of a 60cm Paramount, so we'd have to check the steerer tube length if your Bridgestone is indeed 62cm. I think my local bike co-op also has a Time or Look 1" threadless carbon fork with alloy steerer, too; I'd have to check the length.

If yours is 62cm, it's one I'd be interested in if you ever decide to move it along. :thumb:

I was thinking of going the carbon fork route for a few reasons. I haven't ridden carbon. If I got a carbon fork I'd be able to run a threadless stem to clean the cockpit up. Also I've never switched to a carbon fork. At this point I've sought out projects that I haven't done before. Switching to a carbon fork is one I haven't done as of yet.

You are correct about 28mm tires fitting. They're tight but they fit. The brakes I have on there currently make it a tighter fit than the fork.

You are also correct about the Ishiwata tubing for the fork.

I got the Seam Apex because I was going to create a touring bike with new components but the frame was fighting me with the 27" to 700c conversion and the canti brakes. 10 speed Sram is the last (unless I'm mistaken) components where road and mountain shifters are compatible. I was going to get Apex front derailleur and shifters going with a mountain rear derailleur with a mountain cassette for easy loaded riding.


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