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bOsscO 03-11-21 08:39 PM


Originally Posted by FasterBass (Post 21953208)
New guy throwing my hat in the ring. 1992 Bridgestone RB-1 I just finished last night. well, "finished". Need a black seatpost, brakes, derail...anyway. Don't hate too much. I know Bridgestones are highly regarded when original. The original decals were thrashed. I got the black version off of velocals and it was a perfect replacement for the white. Still have to clear over it. Can't wait to ride this thing. First ever "nice" wheelset. Previously only has hand me down wheel hybrid wheels on tiagra hubs. Onto the specs:

Frame: 50CM RB-1
Fork: Origin 8 1in threadless carbon
Headset: Origin 8
Wheels: Velocity A23 rims, Sapim xray spokes, custom Orbwheels hubs (1450g without skewers)
Tires: Panaracer Gravel king 700x28
Group: Mishmash of 105 brifters, 105 FD and Tiagra RD, SRAM 1070 11-34, Shimano GRX 30-46 crankset
Brakes Tektro something or other
Misc: Ksport Combo mount for Garmin/lights

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...28a6a2dc60.jpg
1992 Bridgestone RB-1

Gotta say, this looks sick.

bOsscO 03-11-21 08:41 PM


Originally Posted by 1 Lugnut (Post 21954910)

I wanna see this paint scheme in detail.

1 Lugnut 03-11-21 09:46 PM


Originally Posted by bOsscO (Post 21963440)
I wanna see this paint scheme in detail.

I already had a fork but needed to have it chromed & just got it back a few days ago.
Pretty much Campy Chorus cmpnts, Nuovo Rec hubs to GP-4 rims, Edco Comp hdset, Record Carbon 8-sp ergos,Tom Ritchey seatpost, Regina SL Extra freewheel, Regina Extra SL chain, Veloflex Sprinter tubulars, Look Worlds Pedals, Avocet 40 cyclometer & a lot of Ti parts...20.5 lbs.

Titans were Made in Italy & sold in Switzerland. My research leads me to believe they were made by either Losa or Bilatto under contract.
They sat unsold in a warehouse prolly since the late 80's, when a number of years ago, they popped-up on ebay for unbeatable prices.
I picked this one up recently from an ebay seller who apparantly found it somewhere & held onto it for a bit?

These framebuilders also do contract building for Guerciotti, Cinelli...etc

From the ebay seller:
Most all of these Titans were "Varnished by Dossena Carlo"...alhough, I have not seen another with a paint job like this
NOS TITAN "Exclusive" / “Exklusiv” Road Bike Frame: Wild Custom Paint by Dossena Carlo, Swiss, Columbus SL Lugged Steel
THE PAINTER: Dossena Carlo is an Italian bike painter who has been around the works.
His paint jobs can be found on Ciocc, DeBernardi, DeRosa, Casati and many other high end Italian bicycles.
"Dossena Carlo" creates unique paint schemes on all of his works.
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...4ccb126091.jpg

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...3f622b0d08.jpg
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...d910fc8f30.jpg

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...5ca5bda9e8.jpg
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...c4d2fea03a.jpg
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...9dccfad90e.jpg

I mounted this copper 'Compass Rose' on the Headtube.
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...a35acc36e3.jpg
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...2d37db1354.jpg

Keefusb 03-14-21 06:55 PM

This is my steel frame hot rod. Started upgrading in 1998 when I took possession of this awesome bike. Mostly Dura Ace 7700 with a couple of Dura Ace 7800 bits.

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...80b0e2f080.jpg
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...6a04acfd2e.jpg
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...9e2ba4586e.jpg
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...9366e6860a.jpg

merziac 03-14-21 07:32 PM


Originally Posted by Kilroy1988 (Post 21904107)
I debated whether I would post this in the "Seen in the Wild" thread or here, but I think here it will be more appreciated and useful as inspiration for future readers... Was walking out of a grocery store today and spied this gorgeous Dave Moulten Fuso built up with modern Shimano components out in the parking lot!

-Gregory


https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...07cb47653f.jpg
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...7f51b74b28.jpg
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...75601170f9.jpg

:eek: H**Y CRAP!

I would have hung out, left a note threatening to stalk that, waiting, hoping to have a conversation about it.

Can't imagine that paint is original but you never know.

Can't believe its not secured way better. :twitchy:

Kilroy1988 03-14-21 09:12 PM


Originally Posted by merziac (Post 21967478)
:eek: H**Y CRAP!

I would have hung out, left a note threatening to stalk that, waiting, hoping to have a conversation about it.

Can't imagine that paint is original but you never know.

Can't believe its not secured way better. :twitchy:

There was a lady in the truck who I asked permission of to take the photos. I presume the bike was her husband's, and I don't see any particular reason to believe the paint isn't original? It's only thirty years old or so, by the look of things?

-Gregory

merziac 03-14-21 11:48 PM

Glad someone was standing guard, never seen any paint like that on a Fuso, most are either one color, 2 or 3 color fade or his signature 2 or 3 color graphic like this way to small example I have.

And most of them have a headbadge instead of a decal although he did use decals after the badges ran out. :foo:


https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...091786c2bf.jpg

FasterBass 03-15-21 02:20 PM


Originally Posted by bOsscO (Post 21963436)
Gotta say, this looks sick.

Thank you so much! I thought I would get a lot more hate for modifying an RB-1. You can see in the pic below that the logos were thrashed. they disintegrated when I tried to clean them so i just said eff it, and went my own way.
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...a47bbf0d44.jpg
First Ride
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...0f5a65ce99.jpg
original frame

Schlafen 03-15-21 02:26 PM


Originally Posted by 1 Lugnut (Post 21954910)

To be fair, very posh.

FasterBass 03-15-21 02:35 PM


Originally Posted by mstateglfr (Post 21954454)
cool build- you made it your own and spec'd it for riding how you want/need. No shame in that.
Did you paint it?

Nope, original paint. Just buffed it out and verrrrry carefully scraped off the original decals.

Ed Wiser 03-15-21 03:18 PM

Found this great channel for bike upgrades.


noglider 03-15-21 07:34 PM


Originally Posted by Ed Wiser (Post 21968935)
Found this great channel for bike upgrades.

https://youtu.be/QwxEPRk3LFg

Yeah, it’s very good, but do not use this method for spreading a frame. I tried it, and since my drive-side chain stay is dimpled and my non-drive-side is not, it bent only the drive side out. I had to revert to the 2x4 method.

Germany_chris 03-16-21 06:43 AM

Since there are Fuso pictures..isn't Mr. Moulton a member here?

himespau 03-16-21 06:51 AM


Originally Posted by noglider (Post 21969340)
Yeah, it’s very good, but do not use this method for spreading a frame. I tried it, and since my drive-side chain stay is dimpled and my non-drive-side is not, it bent only the drive side out. I had to revert to the 2x4 method.

It worked fine for me with an old mixte frame I had I used washers/nuts on both sides of both dropouts to keep the dropouts parallel. With the extra bracing of the mixte, it took a lot of very slow adjustments before I got it fully spread though. Never ended up using the mixte because I tried brush painting it and remembered how much I hate painting things while still on the first coat of primer.

seypat 03-16-21 07:11 AM


Originally Posted by RALEIGH_COMP (Post 21961776)

After a quick glance, I thought this was a 70's Isle of Man TT motorcycle!

Ed Wiser 03-16-21 10:38 AM


Originally Posted by noglider (Post 21969340)
Yeah, it’s very good, but do not use this method for spreading a frame. I tried it, and since my drive-side chain stay is dimpled and my non-drive-side is not, it bent only the drive side out. I had to revert to the 2x4 method.

what is there 2x4 method?

bOsscO 03-16-21 11:06 AM


Originally Posted by FasterBass (Post 21968802)
Thank you so much! I thought I would get a lot more hate for modifying an RB-1. You can see in the pic below that the logos were thrashed. they disintegrated when I tried to clean them so i just said eff it, and went my own way.

I am fully in the camp of 'your bike, your rules' which is why my Mongoose IBOC mod is now a dreamy city cruiser/commuter.

canyoneagle 03-16-21 11:11 AM


Originally Posted by oceanhaitang (Post 21965059)
My pride and joy just got a modernized makeover!

Originally built with full Campagnolo Victory/C-Record mix groupset/Red anodized Ambrosio Excellence laced to Victory Hubs with DT Competition spokes/White leather Selle Italia Titanium Flight saddle and Smootape bar tape.

Update:

Full mix of NOS/mint condition used Campagnolo Chorus Carbon-Silver 10-Speed groupset/Mavic Ksyrium ES Helium wheelset off a demo bike wrapped in GP 5000 cream walls/White leather Selle Italia Titanium Flight saddle and Smootape bar tape on Soma Hwy One short drop 42cm handlebar/Chorus Aero pedals with black leather Bianchi toe strap

Can’t wait for the summer 🙏🏽


https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...f32497ced.jpeg
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https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...50834b09e.jpeg
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...349f17777.jpeg

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...9723e41b2.jpeg
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...993cf43f3.jpeg


Beautiful bike!

Looks like you and I are built 100% opposite. I'm long legged and short-torsoed - I need a short top tube with a long seat tube. It appears you have a similar (but opposite) situation with finding a bike that fits. In my case, I typically have more seatpost showing than optimal, and a shorter stem. Ahhhhhh, to be out of the bell curve for standard frame design.....

Germany_chris 03-16-21 11:43 AM


Originally Posted by Ed Wiser (Post 21970163)
what is there 2x4 method?

It’s on Sheldon Brown

oceanhaitang 03-16-21 12:12 PM


Originally Posted by canyoneagle (Post 21970233)
Beautiful bike!

Looks like you and I are built 100% opposite. I'm long legged and short-torsoed - I need a short top tube with a long seat tube. It appears you have a similar (but opposite) situation with finding a bike that fits. In my case, I typically have more seatpost showing than optimal, and a shorter stem. Ahhhhhh, to be out of the bell curve for standard frame design.....


Our Bikes... Our Rules!

Keep riding and stay safe my friend

🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽

Ed Wiser 03-16-21 12:50 PM


Originally Posted by Germany_chris (Post 21970280)
It’s on Sheldon Brown

The answer to my question was this page.

https://www.sheldonbrown.com/frame-spacing.html

canyoneagle 03-16-21 01:37 PM


Originally Posted by oceanhaitang (Post 21970349)
Our Bikes... Our Rules!

Keep riding and stay safe my friend

🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽

Yup!!!!!
I've had my fair share of "frame's too small for you" comments based on seat tube, but the fit that works for me trumps any perspectives otherwise.
Your bike is stunning! Ride on!

Marylander 03-16-21 01:51 PM


Originally Posted by canyoneagle (Post 21970233)
Beautiful bike!

Looks like you and I are built 100% opposite. I'm long legged and short-torsoed - I need a short top tube with a long seat tube. It appears you have a similar (but opposite) situation with finding a bike that fits. In my case, I typically have more seatpost showing than optimal, and a shorter stem. Ahhhhhh, to be out of the bell curve for standard frame design.....

Heh, I was thinking the same thing. I'm in the same boat as you and opposite of [MENTION=526351]oceanhaitang[/MENTION]. Strangely enough my brother (100% too, not halfsies) has short legs and a long torso. We're about the same height but he couldn't even touch the bottom pedal if he tried riding one of my bikes without lowering the seat. :lol:

canyoneagle 03-16-21 02:16 PM


Originally Posted by Marylander (Post 21970519)
Heh, I was thinking the same thing. I'm in the same boat as you and opposite of [MENTION=526351]oceanhaitang[/MENTION]. Strangely enough my brother (100% too, not halfsies) has short legs and a long torso. We're about the same height but he couldn't even touch the bottom pedal if he tried riding one of my bikes without lowering the seat. :lol:

Yup!!!!!!
I think I've found the sweet spot with my current bike - a 58cm Merckx Corsa-01 with Record 9sp - keeps with the current thread. I'll include a pic of my old Tommasini (56-57 cm) that did the trick for me when I was more flexible. For me, optimal top tube is 56-57 but seat tube (if I want to be proper) would be 62-63cm.

The color balance is way off for the Tommasini photo. It was Ferrari red.

Both of these are "era appropriate" Ergos. The final pic is my '90s 62cm Zullo with modern Chorus, but the TT was too long (despite the ST being way better for me) and I sold it.


https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...d6874fa6e.jpeg


https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...8f3787c8e5.jpg

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...6980d9a980.jpg

FasterBass 03-17-21 08:19 AM


Originally Posted by canyoneagle (Post 21970560)
Yup!!!!!!
I think I've found the sweet spot with my current bike - a 58cm Merckx Corsa-01 with Record 9sp - keeps with the current thread. I'll include a pic of my old Tommasini (56-57 cm) that did the trick for me when I was more flexible. For me, optimal top tube is 56-57 but seat tube (if I want to be proper) would be 62-63cm.

The color balance is way off for the Tommasini photo. It was Ferrari red.

Both of these are "era appropriate" Ergos. The final pic is my '90s 62cm Zullo with modern Chorus, but the TT was too long (despite the ST being way better for me) and I sold it.


https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...d6874fa6e.jpeg


https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...8f3787c8e5.jpg

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...6980d9a980.jpg

These are gorgeous builds! Interesting saddle. Would think that is terribly uncomfortable but every body is different.


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