Shogun serial # database?
04-15-16 | 07:55 AM
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Thanks for pulling me into this thread, @TimmyT. I posted the SN of my Shogun in another thread for @tmar, but haven't made the "official" SN thread post. So without further adieu:
Shogun Samurai, believed to be 1988 model year. Full 105-equipped. Tange Infinity. Nitto stem, possibly bars.
FS 702274 S8P (SN pic taken before cleanup. Yuck.)
...Wish my paint were as clean as yours.
Shogun Samurai, believed to be 1988 model year. Full 105-equipped. Tange Infinity. Nitto stem, possibly bars.
FS 702274 S8P (SN pic taken before cleanup. Yuck.)
...Wish my paint were as clean as yours.
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04-15-16 | 08:46 AM
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However, there was the expected technological progress, with increasing levels of trickle down. Certainly, I can understand the appeal of 6400 over 6200, especially the improved shifting performance of the HyperGlide cassette and the lighter feel and better modulation of the SLR brakeset.
It came to me mainly as "original" (including the OEM chain) but it's not a museum piece, hence my modifications. If you're only going by the catalogs, I think that is a mistake as there was variation in what the companies put on the bikes when shipped as well as modifications at the shop. There are always two steps from the catalog: factory assembly and bike shop assembly.
04-15-16 | 08:48 AM
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04-15-16 | 09:40 AM
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I think headset, crankset, brakes, fd, stem, and seatpost binder bolt are original. Yeah, and maybe I misspoke about QC. I think the shifting is cleaner with 6400 series. QC is about the same.
It came to me mainly as "original" (including the OEM chain) but it's not a museum piece, hence my modifications. If you're only going by the catalogs, I think that is a mistake as there was variation in what the companies put on the bikes when shipped as well as modifications at the shop. There are always two steps from the catalog: factory assembly and bike shop assembly.
It came to me mainly as "original" (including the OEM chain) but it's not a museum piece, hence my modifications. If you're only going by the catalogs, I think that is a mistake as there was variation in what the companies put on the bikes when shipped as well as modifications at the shop. There are always two steps from the catalog: factory assembly and bike shop assembly.
04-15-16 | 11:57 AM
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Given that the brakes are Shimano 600 Ultegra, which didn't come out until the the 1988 model year, it's very hard to imagine that they could have bee installed as OEM on a frame built in very late 1985, either at the factory or LBS. The most plausible scenario fro the bicycle is that owner stripped it of everything that he could, using common hand tools. This would have left components such as the crankset, headset and chain. He may not have realized that you could remove the front derailleur without breaking the chain and left it also.
That said, the differences between 6207 brakes and 6400 brakes are mainly cosmetic. I've owned both, and I really can't tell the difference in terms of stopping power or feel. I don't know why you would pull 6207 brakes off a bike and put on 6400 on without a shop doing it.
Anyway, it is what it is. Thanks for your comments.
04-27-16 | 04:14 PM
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Just bought a Shogun Road bike and of course it's missing the model decal!
Let's solve this mystery.( I'm a total bike noob . Please bear with me and laugh later)
Ok here's the part list:
(This is all the owner could tell me)
Dr. Pepper Red frame with gold Shogun decal
Alps Road Champion Handle bars
Shimano Dee-50 brake handles
Shimano Centeron brake?gear locks(on handlebar shaft)
Shimano Tourney brake
Shimano Skylark rear deraileur
Shimano FE front dérailleur? H---L
Silstar crank arm SR sakae 165 34left /165 36right
"Japan" kickstand
Chair 82-8 ...axle
Chair 2-08 NO2500 pedals
KashimaX kashima mfg sport seat
Araya Rims 27 11/4 w/oHP
Kenda 1220 27 x 1 1/8Tires... Aftermarket
Special ST tubing
Serial # M2H33629
I have no clue when it comes to part terminology as you already noticed I'm sure. Anyways...
Hopefully that's enough info to confirm this here Shoguns, Model!
1982 Shogun ________ ?
Let's solve this mystery.( I'm a total bike noob . Please bear with me and laugh later)
Ok here's the part list:
(This is all the owner could tell me)
Dr. Pepper Red frame with gold Shogun decal
Alps Road Champion Handle bars
Shimano Dee-50 brake handles
Shimano Centeron brake?gear locks(on handlebar shaft)
Shimano Tourney brake
Shimano Skylark rear deraileur
Shimano FE front dérailleur? H---L
Silstar crank arm SR sakae 165 34left /165 36right
"Japan" kickstand
Chair 82-8 ...axle
Chair 2-08 NO2500 pedals
KashimaX kashima mfg sport seat
Araya Rims 27 11/4 w/oHP
Kenda 1220 27 x 1 1/8Tires... Aftermarket
Special ST tubing
Serial # M2H33629
I have no clue when it comes to part terminology as you already noticed I'm sure. Anyways...
Hopefully that's enough info to confirm this here Shoguns, Model!
1982 Shogun ________ ?
05-30-16 | 01:18 AM
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05-30-16 | 05:44 AM
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05-30-16 | 06:03 AM
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Just bought a Shogun Road bike and of course it's missing the model decal!
Let's solve this mystery.( I'm a total bike noob . Please bear with me and laugh later)
Ok here's the part list:
(This is all the owner could tell me)
Dr. Pepper Red frame with gold Shogun decal
Alps Road Champion Handle bars
Shimano Dee-50 brake handles
Shimano Centeron brake?gear locks(on handlebar shaft)
Shimano Tourney brake
Shimano Skylark rear deraileur
Shimano FE front dérailleur? H---L
Silstar crank arm SR sakae 165 34left /165 36right
"Japan" kickstand
Chair 82-8 ...axle
Chair 2-08 NO2500 pedals
KashimaX kashima mfg sport seat
Araya Rims 27 11/4 w/oHP
Kenda 1220 27 x 1 1/8Tires... Aftermarket
Special ST tubing
Serial # M2H33629
I have no clue when it comes to part terminology as you already noticed I'm sure. Anyways...
Hopefully that's enough info to confirm this here Shoguns, Model!
1982 Shogun ________ ?
Let's solve this mystery.( I'm a total bike noob . Please bear with me and laugh later)
Ok here's the part list:
(This is all the owner could tell me)
Dr. Pepper Red frame with gold Shogun decal
Alps Road Champion Handle bars
Shimano Dee-50 brake handles
Shimano Centeron brake?gear locks(on handlebar shaft)
Shimano Tourney brake
Shimano Skylark rear deraileur
Shimano FE front dérailleur? H---L
Silstar crank arm SR sakae 165 34left /165 36right
"Japan" kickstand
Chair 82-8 ...axle
Chair 2-08 NO2500 pedals
KashimaX kashima mfg sport seat
Araya Rims 27 11/4 w/oHP
Kenda 1220 27 x 1 1/8Tires... Aftermarket
Special ST tubing
Serial # M2H33629
I have no clue when it comes to part terminology as you already noticed I'm sure. Anyways...
Hopefully that's enough info to confirm this here Shoguns, Model!
1982 Shogun ________ ?
Having some pictures would help but pending that it sounds like a base model, probably a Shogun 100. The serial number is in that grey area where it could be could possibly be an early 1983 model.
05-30-16 | 06:26 AM
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You'll probably need another $50 of clean up materials or so:
New cables and housing
Clean anything with a moving part with WD40 and a nylon brush (an old toothbrush works great)
Replace the saddle and handlebar tape.
Polish the aluminum crankset and stem with Mother's Polish, if you wish.
You should replace the tires. Panaracer paselas are great for the pricepoint
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It should be about an afternoon's worth of work, once you have the parts assembled.
06-17-16 | 03:28 PM
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Just picked this one up last night as I do not have a touring type rig and know @T-Mar collects this info. Has cracks in rear wheel around some spokes, and needed a quick bath. Been on CL for well over a month at $60 obo, probably due to rim, no saddle, bad pics and appeared decals were scraped. I had a Kashimax, I threw on and has bmx type finned brake pads so I figure it works. I don't need another bike 
but after watching it pop up for so long on CL and seeing all the stuff here about Shogun and serial numbers 
I had to go see it just to be sure. And I could not go wrong on price. When I got there he even had the Aero bottle that was pulled off and it has a Rhode flickstand that was covering decal making them look scraped. It appears a decal was pulled from the bottom tube above shifters. Not sure if that was something original to bike or what it said.
Model 2001 Touring 18 speed and has the funky (in a cool way IMO) Touring Deore Group (Supposed first of its kind? https://bikeretrogrouch.blogspot.com/...ng-gruppo.html ) 600 for the rest. I think the only things not orig. are Toe clips (Cinelli), anno red jockey wheels, tires (of course), headset (Super Record ) and I pulled off the faded red hoods. Frame is chrome in rear.
I looked at Asian SN post but am not clear of any other details but I think it means 81'? SN M1C16204
but after watching it pop up for so long on CL and seeing all the stuff here about Shogun and serial numbers I had to go see it just to be sure. And I could not go wrong on price. When I got there he even had the Aero bottle that was pulled off and it has a Rhode flickstand that was covering decal making them look scraped. It appears a decal was pulled from the bottom tube above shifters. Not sure if that was something original to bike or what it said. Model 2001 Touring 18 speed and has the funky (in a cool way IMO) Touring Deore Group (Supposed first of its kind? https://bikeretrogrouch.blogspot.com/...ng-gruppo.html ) 600 for the rest. I think the only things not orig. are Toe clips (Cinelli), anno red jockey wheels, tires (of course), headset (Super Record ) and I pulled off the faded red hoods. Frame is chrome in rear.
I looked at Asian SN post but am not clear of any other details but I think it means 81'? SN M1C16204
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06-17-16 | 04:10 PM
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Just picked this one up last night as I do not have a touring type rig and know [MENTION=20650]T-Mar[/MENTION] collects this info. Has cracks in rear wheel around some spokes, and needed a quick bath. Been on CL for well over a month at $60 obo, probably due to rim, no saddle, bad pics and appeared decals were scraped. I had a Kashimax, I threw on and has bmx type finned brake pads so I figure it works. I don't need another bike but after watching it pop up for so long on CL and seeing all the stuff here about Shogun and serial numbers I had to go see it just to be sure. And I could not go wrong on price. When I got there he even had the Aero bottle that was pulled off and it has a Rhode flickstand that was covering decal making them look scraped. It appears a decal was pulled from the bottom tube above shifters. Not sure if that was something original to bike or what it said.
Model 2001 Touring 18 speed and has the funky (in a cool way IMO) Touring Deore Group (Supposed first of its kind? https://bikeretrogrouch.blogspot.com/...gruppo.htmland ) 600 for the rest. I think the only things not orig. are Toe clips (Cinelli), anno red jockey wheels, tires (of course), headset (Super Record ) and I pulled off the faded red hoods. Frame is chrome in rear.
I looked at Asian SN post but am not clear of any other details but I think it means 81'? SN M1C16204
but after watching it pop up for so long on CL and seeing all the stuff here about Shogun and serial numbers I had to go see it just to be sure. And I could not go wrong on price. When I got there he even had the Aero bottle that was pulled off and it has a Rhode flickstand that was covering decal making them look scraped. It appears a decal was pulled from the bottom tube above shifters. Not sure if that was something original to bike or what it said. Model 2001 Touring 18 speed and has the funky (in a cool way IMO) Touring Deore Group (Supposed first of its kind? https://bikeretrogrouch.blogspot.com/...gruppo.htmland ) 600 for the rest. I think the only things not orig. are Toe clips (Cinelli), anno red jockey wheels, tires (of course), headset (Super Record ) and I pulled off the faded red hoods. Frame is chrome in rear.
I looked at Asian SN post but am not clear of any other details but I think it means 81'? SN M1C16204
Yes, it's a 1981 model. Apparently, it was named for the Tange's new Mangaloy tubeset, which it employs. 1981 was definitely the first year for Deore but I wouldn't call it the first touring group. I'd probably bestow that honor on Shimano 600 of 1976-1977. It had an optional rear derailleur capable of handling a 34T cog and a crankset capable of a handling a 30T granny. While they are quite rare, the group also had a cantilever brake option. It didn't have some of the amenities like a 40H option for the rear hub and there were no pedals or headset but it checked the major boxes with super wide gearing and cantilever brakes.
06-17-16 | 04:37 PM
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You picked it up just so I could have another serial number?
Yes, it's a 1981 model. Apparently, it was named for the Tange's new Mangaloy tubeset, which it employs. 1981 was definitely the first year for Deore but I wouldn't call it the first touring group. I'd probably bestow that honor on Shimano 600 of 1976-1977. It had an optional rear derailleur capable of handling a 34T cog and a crankset capable of a handling a 30T granny. While they are quite rare, the group also had a cantilever brake option. It didn't have some of the amenities like a 40H option for the rear hub and there were no pedals or headset but it checked the major boxes with super wide gearing and cantilever brakes.
Yes, it's a 1981 model. Apparently, it was named for the Tange's new Mangaloy tubeset, which it employs. 1981 was definitely the first year for Deore but I wouldn't call it the first touring group. I'd probably bestow that honor on Shimano 600 of 1976-1977. It had an optional rear derailleur capable of handling a 34T cog and a crankset capable of a handling a 30T granny. While they are quite rare, the group also had a cantilever brake option. It didn't have some of the amenities like a 40H option for the rear hub and there were no pedals or headset but it checked the major boxes with super wide gearing and cantilever brakes.
06-17-16 | 05:26 PM
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BTW, I have one of those water bottles too. They're worth good worry to owners of AX equipped bicycles.
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09-14-16 | 04:38 PM
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Hate to drudge up an old thread, but trying to date the Shogun Selectra that I'm working on. Serial number doesn't seem to match many of the formats you other guys have.
SN: BS725514
Tangaloy CroMo frame Made in Japan
Sugino crankset
Shimano Light Action RD
Shimano SLR Brake Calipers
Shimano SLR Brake Levers
Shimano SIS DT shifters SL-S434
Shimano FD-Z204 front der
SN: BS725514
Tangaloy CroMo frame Made in Japan
Sugino crankset
Shimano Light Action RD
Shimano SLR Brake Calipers
Shimano SLR Brake Levers
Shimano SIS DT shifters SL-S434
Shimano FD-Z204 front der
09-14-16 | 04:45 PM
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Hate to drudge up an old thread, but trying to date the Shogun Selectra that I'm working on. Serial number doesn't seem to match many of the formats you other guys have.
SN: BS725514
Tangaloy CroMo frame Made in Japan
Sugino crankset
Shimano Light Action RD
Shimano SLR Brake Calipers
Shimano SLR Brake Levers
Shimano SIS DT shifters SL-S434
Shimano FD-Z204 front der
SN: BS725514
Tangaloy CroMo frame Made in Japan
Sugino crankset
Shimano Light Action RD
Shimano SLR Brake Calipers
Shimano SLR Brake Levers
Shimano SIS DT shifters SL-S434
Shimano FD-Z204 front der
Could be a 1986 based on that RD. The serial number probably contains a clue.
10-05-16 | 02:03 PM
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Hi all! Newbie here and proud owner of a Shogun 300 I just picked up today for free. Garaged and hardly ridden by the lady that gave it to me. Has the Alps parts, Araya wheels, and others. I still have to go through the bike.
Serial number attached if someone can decipher it please.
Was planning on turning it around but am having the retro bike fever now and might keep this for myself.
Thanks!!
Serial number attached if someone can decipher it please.
Was planning on turning it around but am having the retro bike fever now and might keep this for myself.
Thanks!!
10-06-16 | 06:31 AM
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Hi all! Newbie here and proud owner of a Shogun 300 I just picked up today for free. Garaged and hardly ridden by the lady that gave it to me. Has the Alps parts, Araya wheels, and others. I still have to go through the bike.
Serial number attached if someone can decipher it please.
Was planning on turning it around but am having the retro bike fever now and might keep this for myself.
Thanks!!
Serial number attached if someone can decipher it please.
Was planning on turning it around but am having the retro bike fever now and might keep this for myself.
Thanks!!
02-20-17 | 03:24 PM
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I have recently bought a shogun frame. This was amongst some other parts that I got as a job lot. The frame number is S5W6405. I think that it is a 1985 shogun 500 touring bike. I cannot find any information on the classic steel sites here in the UK and it is not a common marque here. The frame has been repainted, but I would like find what the original shogun colours were, and what groupset was fitted. If anybody can help with this information, I would be grateful. Also, is there a site in the USA where I could obtain frame decals, as again there is nothing on the UK decal sites. Thanks in advance.