Raleigh 4 speed looking for input/help
09-16-08 | 08:05 PM
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I am totally into the looks of these English bikes
09-16-08 | 08:08 PM
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From the serial number research I did in the past, this serial - provided there are no other digits accidentally left out - dates the frameset to 1950 on the dot.
Kramersschwinn, I would be most grateful if you could confirm the rear hub date. Incidentally, not sure if you're into these machines or not, but here is a photo of my 1951 Raleigh Sports "C" Tourist for your enjoyment:
I adore the near-perfect condition of your chaincase, incidentally
-Kurt
Kramersschwinn, I would be most grateful if you could confirm the rear hub date. Incidentally, not sure if you're into these machines or not, but here is a photo of my 1951 Raleigh Sports "C" Tourist for your enjoyment:
I adore the near-perfect condition of your chaincase, incidentally
-Kurt
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09-16-08 | 09:15 PM
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If all else fails, grips of a similar pattern were produced by Raleigh in the '70s and early '80s, though they were far thinner and hard vinyl, as opposed to the thick and soft/rubbery feel of the originals. The later examples sometimes prove slippery on the bars as well.
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09-17-08 | 01:10 PM
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From the serial number research I did in the past, this serial - provided there are no other digits accidentally left out - dates the frameset to 1950 on the dot.
Kramersschwinn, I would be most grateful if you could confirm the rear hub date. Incidentally, not sure if you're into these machines or not, but here is a photo of my 1951 Raleigh Sports "C" Tourist for your enjoyment:
I adore the near-perfect condition of your chaincase, incidentally
-Kurt
Kramersschwinn, I would be most grateful if you could confirm the rear hub date. Incidentally, not sure if you're into these machines or not, but here is a photo of my 1951 Raleigh Sports "C" Tourist for your enjoyment:
I adore the near-perfect condition of your chaincase, incidentally
-Kurt
and 55 1 FG Dyno-Four was stamped on them
the other 2 i will check out later. I hated to degrease the hubs , they had what looked like original paper labels 2" x 1" with a name or something on them.
Thanks for the help
Tim
09-17-08 | 01:48 PM
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Kurt , I cleaned off the rear hub of 2 of the bikes and ..54 7 FG Dyno-Four
and 55 1 FG Dyno-Four was stamped on them
the other 2 i will check out later. I hated to degrease the hubs , they had what looked like original paper labels 2" x 1" with a name or something on them.
Thanks for the help
Tim
and 55 1 FG Dyno-Four was stamped on them
the other 2 i will check out later. I hated to degrease the hubs , they had what looked like original paper labels 2" x 1" with a name or something on them.
Thanks for the help
Tim
I must add this data to my chart - looks as if the T serials ran a little bit longer then I thought (either that, or I had not been given much information for bikes post-'52.
P.S.: If you can, do photograph one of the serials for me. I gather these are on the bottom bracket, correct? I'm short the proper bottom bracket serial number image for the serial chart on The Headbadge.
-Kurt
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09-17-08 | 02:24 PM
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Excellent. Do let me know which hub date corresponds to which serial number. Also let me know if all the bikes are the same model as the Superbe Sports Tourist in your first photos.
I must add this data to my chart - looks as if the T serials ran a little bit longer then I thought (either that, or I had not been given much information for bikes post-'52.
P.S.: If you can, do photograph one of the serials for me. I gather these are on the bottom bracket, correct? I'm short the proper bottom bracket serial number image for the serial chart on The Headbadge.
-Kurt
I must add this data to my chart - looks as if the T serials ran a little bit longer then I thought (either that, or I had not been given much information for bikes post-'52.
P.S.: If you can, do photograph one of the serials for me. I gather these are on the bottom bracket, correct? I'm short the proper bottom bracket serial number image for the serial chart on The Headbadge.
-Kurt
tim
09-18-08 | 07:17 AM
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Excellent. Do let me know which hub date corresponds to which serial number. Also let me know if all the bikes are the same model as the Superbe Sports Tourist in your first photos.
I must add this data to my chart - looks as if the T serials ran a little bit longer then I thought (either that, or I had not been given much information for bikes post-'52.
P.S.: If you can, do photograph one of the serials for me. I gather these are on the bottom bracket, correct? I'm short the proper bottom bracket serial number image for the serial chart on The Headbadge.
-Kurt
I must add this data to my chart - looks as if the T serials ran a little bit longer then I thought (either that, or I had not been given much information for bikes post-'52.
P.S.: If you can, do photograph one of the serials for me. I gather these are on the bottom bracket, correct? I'm short the proper bottom bracket serial number image for the serial chart on The Headbadge.
-Kurt
591112 t has 54 7 fg hub
591113 t 55 1 fg
591114 t 54 7 fg
best photo I could get
09-18-08 | 07:31 AM
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Mind if I use that photo of the seat lug on The Headbadge?
-Kurt
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09-18-08 | 11:42 AM
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09-19-08 | 05:19 PM
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The story is actually better , The garage sale find was 4 , 3 mens style 2 complete , 1 for parts (missing seat and some other items and 1 womens model complete with everything and a bell. I will check out the hub and get the numbers . These are just the neatest bikes I have ever cam across
I will post pictures of the entire lot. The did omit 1 digit in the serial , 591114 t. All the serial #'s run consecutive 591112t , 591113t,591114 t the womens has a different seat attachment and it apears the ser# is covered. I will check it this week
THANK YOU FOR THE INFORMATION AND PICTURES
Any other info would be appreciated ( best restoring tips)
Thanks
Tim
I will post pictures of the entire lot. The did omit 1 digit in the serial , 591114 t. All the serial #'s run consecutive 591112t , 591113t,591114 t the womens has a different seat attachment and it apears the ser# is covered. I will check it this week
THANK YOU FOR THE INFORMATION AND PICTURES
Any other info would be appreciated ( best restoring tips)
Thanks
Tim
everything is working beautifully ! it even has some packing cardboard around the light bracket
I thought Schwinn chrome was great , it doesn't even come close to this Raleigh's chrome ,came back just like new!
09-19-08 | 08:56 PM
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I cannot agree more. The '50s stuff from Raleigh is truly remarkable and deserves that praise, despite the fact that I haven't run into a Schwinn collector who will admit it. They probably never worked on a '50s Raleigh in the first place...
-Kurt
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09-20-08 | 12:12 AM
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You'll find that your era of Raleigh chrome there is very high quality. I would rank my Raleigh chrome second only to the chrome I have on my Torrington bars.
I've had less luck with Schwinn chrome.
I've had less luck with Schwinn chrome.
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09-20-08 | 12:37 AM
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You should have seen how bad the rims were on the '51 ladies' Sports "C" Tourist I got from Neal - and how minty they came out afterwards, original stainless spokes and all. Hardly had to put any effort into it, and not a single pit in the chrome to boot.
I'll say one thing though - the amount of polish applied to their stainless steel rims (the '51 above has a pair on it) leaves a bit to be desired. More of a satin finish, similar to the appearance of a clear anodized Campagnolo Nuovo Record crankarm. I realize these things were mass-produced, but I'm quite sure they could have been shined up a bit more by factory if they had desired.
-Kurt
I'll say one thing though - the amount of polish applied to their stainless steel rims (the '51 above has a pair on it) leaves a bit to be desired. More of a satin finish, similar to the appearance of a clear anodized Campagnolo Nuovo Record crankarm. I realize these things were mass-produced, but I'm quite sure they could have been shined up a bit more by factory if they had desired.
-Kurt
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09-20-08 | 07:33 AM
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09-20-08 | 10:12 AM
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It looks like a nice clean up on that bike-- you're very lucky, these are not your average "Sports" that you find at a garage sale or in a barn. Yours has some really nice additions like the gear case and electrical components.
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09-22-08 | 01:30 PM
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The I have the info on the womans bike , Serial # in the same spot as on the mens
see photo Ser #583726 T
hub # is 55 1 FG
I read on the Badge you didnt have a photo of the Womans bike serial # location ( here you go)
Thanks for all the info
Tim
06-23-11 | 09:06 AM
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I have just picked this up, dated 1960/61 going by the hub and frame no. I am in the UK. It's a bit rough but it's got all it's original bits, and even though it's in a bad way I love the saddle bag!
06-23-11 | 09:27 AM
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^^Yes, I can see why you like that saddle bag! But I wouldn't call that bike 'rough.' Looks pretty good to me.
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