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Old 01-04-15, 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by noglider
I'm not kidding when I say it might be because the names don't end in vowels.
Well, when you think about, they just could have added an 'i' to the end of Rossin and made it "Rossini - a bike go good you'll be inspired to burst into song whilst riding..."
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Originally Posted by rekmeyata
These Rossin bikes are Italian sleepers along with Faggin, not sure why people don't recognize them as anything of value, but those were really nice bikes, as nice as Tommasini, Torelli, Cinelli, and others of that era. Someone really needs to run and not walk to get that bike.

I always liked them but I am not sure I would put Rossin in such lofty company.
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Originally Posted by JohnDThompson
That's older than 1984; hard to tell from the one poor picture, but I'd say 1981 at the newest. Still, a nice bike, and an interesting, non-stock paint job.
Yeah, I went back and forth with the guy to help him figure out what he actually has. He's changed the ad to reflect what he found. It's a pretty rare bike.

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Originally Posted by Bianchigirll
I always liked them but I am not sure I would put Rossin in such lofty company.
We all define these tiers a little differently, and a lot of it is marketing, mythology and subjective. I don't know that much about Rossins - my impression was that the earlier ones are highly regarded. I think he was a Colnago builder wasn't he? I'm not a Colnago guy, so it was never a marquee I was really attuned to.

I've liked the Tomassinis I've seen. Never ridden one.
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Rossin (Marco?) was a frame builder for Colnago and started his own biz in the late 70's. These bikes could be found in the pro peloton in the early 80's. Generally highly regarded, although I think there are a few models like Novus that are lower quality.

The reflector wheel and kickstand are sending me confusing signals on this one. I would check it out though if I lived locally.
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Originally Posted by Spaghetti Legs
Rossin (Marco?) was a frame builder for Colnago and started his own biz in the late 70's. These bikes could be found in the pro peloton in the early 80's. Generally highly regarded, although I think there are a few models like Novus that are lower quality.

The reflector wheel and kickstand are sending me confusing signals on this one. I would check it out though if I lived locally.
Were they connected with Basso at some point?
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Originally Posted by Sedgemop
Yeah, I went back and forth with the guy to help him figure out what he actually has. He's changed the ad to reflect what he found. It's a pretty rare bike.

1982 Trek Coustom 950 Racing Bike, Columbus SL tubing.
Yeah, that's more like it. It has the TREK-branded Cinelli bottom bracket shell, which was only used for a few months. Early production got a standard Cinelli shell marked Cinelli on the bottom, and later production got the Signicast shell with the cast-in cable guides.

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Originally Posted by Bianchigirll
I always liked them but I am not sure I would put Rossin in such lofty company.
I would because I know a wee bit more about them then most do. Just because they were a smaller shop doesn't make them lessor bikes, in fact maybe even better since they didn't have to rush orders out like the others. Rossin also won two stages of the Giro d'Ialia and the pink jersey was worn for 9 days by Moreno Argentin in that race. Rossin was also the first to use disk wheels on a Rossin bike in a track race.
I know that whatever I say isn't going to change your mind about the beauty and time put into these bikes, so I'll give you website to read instead then rethink what you said; 1982 Rossin Record information
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Originally Posted by rekmeyata
I would because I know a wee bit more about them then most do. Just because they were a smaller shop doesn't make them lessor bikes, in fact maybe even better since they didn't have to rush orders out like the others. Rossin also won two stages of the Giro d'Ialia and the pink jersey was worn for 9 days by Moreno Argentin in that race. Rossin was also the first to use disk wheels on a Rossin bike in a track race.
I know that whatever I say isn't going to change your mind about the beauty and time put into these bikes, so I'll give you website to read instead then rethink what you said; 1982 Rossin Record information
Were they built by basso at one point? I thought of them as reasonably high production and as having offered budget models.
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Originally Posted by KonAaron Snake
Were they built by basso at one point? I thought of them as reasonably high production and as having offered budget models.
Rossin has been on my short "Want!" list of Italian steel recently, so I've done a fair amount of on line searches but I haven't come across those two mentioned together. I've focused on pre-1990 and the Rossin Record and Ghibli models though.
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Originally Posted by zazenzach
Just curious, what do you define as being "completly corroded." Had rust eaten through and made some holes?
Meaning that the seat tube, down tube and bottom bracket will need to be replaced. When I removed the seat post, I could see the corrosion coming through to the inside. Even though it's a Merckx Corsa Extra, I feel, their are too many available in the market. Doing that much work (to save it) would over take the value.

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Originally Posted by KonAaron Snake
Were they built by basso at one point? I thought of them as reasonably high production and as having offered budget models.
I've never heard they were ever built by Basso, and why would they have been? You're getting mixed up with the owners of Pogliaghi who sold to Rossin, then Rossin sold the Pogliaghi line to Basso, there also was some Pogs made in Italian prisons, nothing to weird for Italy though because a few other brands were made in prisons in Italy. Most people considered Basso bikes to be crap back in the day.
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That might have been why I associated the two.
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What a cool looking bike

1980's SHOGUN NINJA ROAD BIKE

[h=2]1980's SHOGUN NINJA ROAD BIKE - $375 (FALLS CHURCH)[/h]

I am selling a 1980's SHOGUN NINJA ROAD BIKE - MADE IN JAPAN.
Asking price $375.00 or best offer.
Chromoly double butted- lightweight and easily manageable.

COLORS: BLACK & PINK
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TIRES: CONTINENTAL GATOR SKIN 28" MM

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Overall, a unique, beautifully designed bike for daily road rides.
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looks like a barn find 1950's Schwinn Paramount Track Bicycle
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Definitely overpriced for craigslist, but it has some cool parts.

1986 VITUS 979 Duralinox Mk1 RARE MAVIC components & wheelset EXLNT - $900 (Royersford)











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I don't know much about Colnagos, but I picked this one up in a trade I did for my mint 1971 paramount p15-9. Also got a masi gran criterium and a merckx team Telekom in the deal. Truth be told I am missing my paramount already, but I think I did ok on my trade.
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Originally Posted by Bianchigirll
I always liked them but I am not sure I would put Rossin in such lofty company.
Originally Posted by KonAaron Snake
We all define these tiers a little differently, and a lot of it is marketing, mythology and subjective. I don't know that much about Rossins - my impression was that the earlier ones are highly regarded. I think he was a Colnago builder wasn't he? I'm not a Colnago guy, so it was never a marquee I was really attuned to.

I've liked the Tomassinis I've seen. Never ridden one.
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I would because I know a wee bit more about them then most do. Just because they were a smaller shop doesn't make them lessor bikes, in fact maybe even better since they didn't have to rush orders out like the others. Rossin also won two stages of the Giro d'Ialia and the pink jersey was worn for 9 days by Moreno Argentin in that race. Rossin was also the first to use disk wheels on a Rossin bike in a track race.
I know that whatever I say isn't going to change your mind about the beauty and time put into these bikes, so I'll give you website to read instead then rethink what you said; 1982 Rossin Record information

OK OK sorry I made some sort of stupid typo. I was referring to Torelli bikes not Rossin. Rossin are certainly a top shelf brand. It was the idea of putting Torelli in company with Tommasini and Cinelli I was referring too. It was always my understanding that Torelli was for those who wanted a nice Italian bike but had a lower budget, like a De Rosa
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Originally Posted by ashemon
What a cool looking bike

1980's SHOGUN NINJA ROAD BIKE

1980's SHOGUN NINJA ROAD BIKE - $375 (FALLS CHURCH)



I am selling a 1980's SHOGUN NINJA ROAD BIKE - MADE IN JAPAN.
Asking price $375.00 or best offer.
Chromoly double butted- lightweight and easily manageable.
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I wish this was 50 miles closer and $200 cheaper. been posted for 18 days so maybe the 375 is flexible but it is still 120mi away
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Originally Posted by Bianchigirll
OK OK sorry I made some sort of stupid typo. I was referring to Torelli bikes not Rossin. Rossin are certainly a top shelf brand. It was the idea of putting Torelli in company with Tommasini and Cinelli I was referring too. It was always my understanding that Torelli was for those who wanted a nice Italian bike but had a lower budget, like a De Rosa
That's how I view Torellis. Your comment might be giving them too much credit.
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Originally Posted by Bianchigirll
OK OK sorry I made some sort of stupid typo. I was referring to Torelli bikes not Rossin. Rossin are certainly a top shelf brand. It was the idea of putting Torelli in company with Tommasini and Cinelli I was referring too. It was always my understanding that Torelli was for those who wanted a nice Italian bike but had a lower budget, like a De Rosa
DeRosa's were certainly not lower budget bikes. BTW, when I bought my Tommasini frame in 1986, it cost the same as a Colnago from Nashbar, while a DeRosa would have been slightly more: $379 each for the Tommasini Super Prestige or Colnago Master, while the DeRosa was $399 - all were straight Columbus SLX framesets at the time. I always regarded the 3 as extremely comparable - but I bought the Tommasini because it was, IMHO, the best looking of the 3 - The Colnago was also backordered in the color I wanted in my size.
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Originally Posted by Bianchigirll
OK OK sorry I made some sort of stupid typo. I was referring to Torelli bikes not Rossin. Rossin are certainly a top shelf brand. It was the idea of putting Torelli in company with Tommasini and Cinelli I was referring too. It was always my understanding that Torelli was for those who wanted a nice Italian bike but had a lower budget, like a De Rosa
Torelli steel bikes were also very good and another brand that goes by unnoticed that shouldn't. They were highly respected. The reason a lot of brands don't get the recognition that the "big" name brands did is because the smaller brands did little in racing and didn't sponsor teams because even back in the day to sponsor a team would cost a company like Torelli and others mentioned around $100,000 and more a year just to sponsor a mid level team not alone a top tier team. A lot of artisans that built fantastic bikes were too small to afford that so people look away and look Colnago and others. Don't get confused with other Torelli named stuff, Torelli put their name on a fantastic rim called the Master Series (I have a pair) but Ambrosio made them, but the frames and forks Torelli made by hand. If I found a vintage Torelli, or Rossin, etc I would snatch it up because someday people are going to realize that they can't afford Colnago or Vitus, etc and will find these low production brands for less money and when that happens the prices will go up. I've seen this happen in classic cars.
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A shop here used to carry Torelli and Mondonico, so I figured there was some kind of tie between those two, but never looked into it. Kinda figured Torelli helped Mondonico with US distribution or something...
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Originally Posted by rekmeyata
Torelli steel bikes were also very good and another brand that goes by unnoticed that shouldn't. They were highly respected. The reason a lot of brands don't get the recognition that the "big" name brands did is because the smaller brands did little in racing and didn't sponsor teams because even back in the day to sponsor a team would cost a company like Torelli and others mentioned around $100,000 and more a year just to sponsor a mid level team not alone a top tier team. A lot of artisans that built fantastic bikes were too small to afford that so people look away and look Colnago and others. Don't get confused with other Torelli named stuff, Torelli put their name on a fantastic rim called the Master Series (I have a pair) but Ambrosio made them, but the frames and forks Torelli made by hand. If I found a vintage Torelli, or Rossin, etc I would snatch it up because someday people are going to realize that they can't afford Colnago or Vitus, etc and will find these low production brands for less money and when that happens the prices will go up. I've seen this happen in classic cars.
Torelli was highly respected by who? I'm sure they had a perfectly nice higher grade frame, but they're most definitely a model that competed on price.

They were one of many brands that tried to cash in on the italain mystique created by other builders. As far as I know, they were a marketing brand and were contract built. Many, if not most, came with mid-range parts.
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Originally Posted by KonAaron Snake
Torelli was highly respected by who? I'm sure they had a perfectly nice higher grade frame, but they're most definitely a model that competed on price.

They were one of many brands that tried to cash in on the italain mystique created by other builders. As far as I know, they were a marketing brand and were contract built. Many, if not most, came with mid-range parts.
Torelli is a lot like Rivendell, Rivendell sources their top of the line custom bike now to Waterford, but it had 2 other manufactures before them, Grant Petersen gives them the design; in the same way Torelli does this too, so does this make Rivendell a lower end piece of crap? Torelli is a Italian owned company, just like Rivendell is an American owned company, Torelli sources to other Italian bike builders just as Rivendell sources to other American builders, but Rivendell initially outsourced to a Taiwan builder somethat Torelli never did with their steel bikes, Torelli kept all their builders in Italy.

So again, is Rivendell less of a bike because Grant doesn't build them he outsources them? If not, then neither is Torelli. And I remember back in the 80's Torelli had a model that came with Campy Record, not exactly mid level, but so what? Rivendell puts mid level stuff on his bikes! I have a mid level 84 Fuji Club that I've seen sell for $750 dollars on E-bay with nothing but mid level bikes...this is a Japanese bike not an Italian bike.

Modern Torelli now designs carbon bikes and those are outsourced to Taiwan just like all the other companies do if not to China. So now does that make all those $6,000 Treks, Look,etc, all junk because they outsourced to Taiwan or China?

I wonder how many of the bikes you own KonAaron Snake that were outsourced?
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