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Old 07-20-09 | 04:32 PM
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Old 07-20-09 | 04:36 PM
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It's because languages tend towards efficiency (e.g. most speakers and writers of American English use 'toward' instead of 'towards', except me.)
I don't agree that the growing use of homophones is efficient (your - you're, defunked - defunct, etc.). I think it is the manifestation of linguistic ignorance and it troubles me. I believe that the linguistic and the conceptual are linked and that a diminution of the former leads to the diminution of the latter.
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Old 07-20-09 | 04:40 PM
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And you made a subject/verb error in your first sentence. Neither/nor calls for a singular verb.
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But how do you feel about apostrophes used in plurals of single letters, e.g., He received a series of F's on his homework assignments?

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Personally I dislike the use of apostrophes in this way. I tend, too, to eschew the use of "but" to begin a sentence.
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Old 07-20-09 | 04:40 PM
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I feel he needs to study much harder, and perhaps not participate for a while in extracurricular activities.
Is that "a while" or "awhile"?

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Old 07-20-09 | 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by KonaBuyer
I don't agree that the growing use of homophones is efficient (your - you're, defunked - defunct, etc.). I think it is the manifestation of linguistic ignorance and it troubles me. I believe that the linguistic and the conceptual are linked and that a diminution of the former leads to the diminution of the latter.
Henny Penny Apocalyptic Nonsense. That's been a concern for at least 200 years, probably more. I'm not sure we're any less conceptual now than we were then. (Lookey! I used the the 'right' spelling of then and than!)
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Old 07-20-09 | 04:43 PM
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Old 07-20-09 | 04:44 PM
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I don't agree that the growing use of homophones is efficient (your - you're, defunked - defunct, etc.). I think it is the manifestation of linguistic ignorance and it troubles me. I believe that the linguistic and the conceptual are linked and that a diminution of the former leads to the diminution of the latter.
Or witness the growing trend of turning nouns into verbs instead of selecting the right verb ("impacts" being one of my least favorite examples). I agree that impoverishment of language limits expression, especially of subtle and complex phenomena. On the other hand, language isn't static, and renewed complexity does tend to emerge from homogeneity in a ying/yang sort of way.
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Old 07-20-09 | 04:46 PM
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Is that "a while" or "awhile"?

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As the object of a prepositional phrase, "a while" is correct.
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Old 07-20-09 | 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Picchio Special
Or witness the growing trend of turning nouns into verbs instead of selecting the right verb ("impacts" being one of my least favorite examples). I agree that impoverishment of language limits expression, especially of subtle and complex phenomena. On the other hand, language isn't static, and renewed complexity does tend to emerge from homogeneity in a ying/yang sort of way.
I think new precision inevitably emerges as tools follow tasks, but I do think something is lost when, for example, a phrase like "on the horns of a dilemma" begins to describe any and every difficult position or decision.
Edit: Sorry, didn't mean to comment on myself, at least in public.
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Old 07-20-09 | 04:51 PM
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Henny Penny Apocalyptic Nonsense. That's been a concern for at least 200 years, probably more. I'm not sure we're any less conceptual now than we were then. (Lookey! I used the the 'right' spelling of then and than!)
I agree with Picchio that perhaps you just don't get it.
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Old 07-20-09 | 04:51 PM
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Before this thread is locked, I'm going to posit that there's a strong correlation between those who act as grammar marms online, and those who prefer period correct builds.
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Old 07-20-09 | 04:53 PM
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... I do think something is lost when, for example, a phrase like "on the horns of a dilemma" begins to describe any and every difficult position or decision.
Edit: Sorry, didn't mean to comment on myself, at least in public.
Or, when the distinction between the literal and the figurative is lost. "Literally" now seems to mean something like "amazingly".
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I agree with Picchio that perhaps you just don't get it.
What exactly don't I get? That you're superior in some fashion to others?
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Old 07-20-09 | 04:55 PM
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Before this thread is locked, I'm going to posit that there's a strong correlation between those who act as grammar marms online, and those who prefer period correct builds.
I will posit a correlation between those that use ad hominem attacks and...
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Old 07-20-09 | 04:57 PM
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I will posit a correlation between those that use ad hominem attacks and...
Those that, or those who? Ah, the deterioration of civilization!
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Old 07-20-09 | 04:59 PM
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What exactly don't I get?
Instead of engaging in a rational, logical discussion, you attacked and criticized.

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That you're superior in some fashion to others?
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Old 07-20-09 | 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by KonaBuyer
Instead of engaging in a rational, logical discussion, you attacked and criticized.
I think your editing suggestions might be interpreted in a similar way by certain posters.
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Old 07-20-09 | 05:10 PM
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Old 07-20-09 | 05:11 PM
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Wow. We are supposed to be attacking Joe E. for his crazy buying of all bikes that are for sale in California. None of which he likes or that fit.... NOT arguing about punctuation and syntax.

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Old 07-20-09 | 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by JunkYardBike
Before this thread is locked, I'm going to posit that there's a strong correlation between those who act as grammar marms online, and those who prefer period correct builds.
Let me just say that:
1) I prefer period correct builds (but don't insist on them.)
2) I am not a grammar marm online.
3) My comments about not getting it had nothing to do with whether or not the King's English is falling into the abyss. In fact, JunkYardBike and I are now BFF's (note use of apostrophe) since his well-known "Southern Hemisphere" post. My man does get it.
4) I have extensively studied linguistics and, especially, semiotics, but that ain't why I'm here.
5) Some of my best friends are homophones.
6) Good point about "literal" - "literally" often means what "figuratively" used to - "The peloton literally exploded." Sometimes, though, the semantic content of a word expands to embrace a former metaphorical usage - in which case the figurative becomes the literal. This kind of thing happens all the time.
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Old 07-20-09 | 05:35 PM
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Let me just say that:
1) I prefer period correct builds (but don't insist on them.)
2) I am not a grammar marm online.
You're skewing my data. Thanks for the laughs, though. I do appreciate the correlation between a quick wit and language fluency.
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Old 07-20-09 | 08:07 PM
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What the hell is going on in this thread?



Oh, never mind. That explains it.

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Old 07-20-09 | 09:10 PM
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this thread is both pretentious, and stupid. I like it. Just as a Joe thread should be.
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