Hi I,m new here ,so hi everybody.
The question is : I,m between Gios compact pro frameset and Pegoretti Luigino frameset.
The waiting time is not important , also the price is not the same , but I nned to know witch is the best frame , both are steel ,ok. but also both are no the same.
Thank´s
From Spain.

one man's better frame /= another man's

Riding styles differ, fit (geometry) may differ, preference for frame stiffness/possible harshness differs among riders. You need to decide what kind of rider you are and what you want. I've never ridden either, but I'm sure they're both excelllent bikes. It's not like you're comparing one of your choices vs. a department store bike.

I am presuming you have never ridden either of these? If you have not ridden them, there's really no way to tell which you will prefer the ride of, so it's either your guess, or one of ours. Which appeals to you more? If price was not a consideration, and I was faced with the same two choices, I would feel a little more excited about having a Pergoretti, but that's just me.

Hi Gios compact pro frame/fork = usd 1300
Pegoretti frame/fork =usd 3990
Both are good bikes , but imposible to be the same quality , i think'''''''' **********??

Pergoretti has quite a reputation as a builder. I presume this is not a custom made frame, so you are paying some for his reputation and (I presume) a very nice paint job. Since you're the gentleman who will be spending the money, you're really the only one who could answer the question - "is it worth the extra money?".

Hi, of course is custom made frame.Can you compare the compact pro vs Luigino ?
tell me.

If you ordered a Pergo and he agreed to make the same geometry as the Gios then the Pergo would probably be a bit stiffer, geometry being equal.

The Pergo will be custom and should fit, the Gios is off the rack. The Gios might fit. For me, the Gios bikes in all but the early to mid 70's have a too short of a top tube for my needs. Gios was one of the early adopters of the short top tube school, length relative to others and given frame size.

If you have a long torso or femur for your height, I would stay clear of the Gios.

If I had the means, I would buy a Pegoretti in a heartbeat.

Sure seems like you're comparing Apples to Oranges. The Gios is a good mass produced lugged steel frame. I don't really know an awful lot about Pergoretti's myself but you can get a great custom made frame in your choice of tubing from a large variety of highly regarded builders for a lot less than 4 grand! Yikes! My advice would be this depending on YOU:

1) You just want a nice steel frame road racing frame: get the Gios (though there are other competetive options).

2) What you really want is a good custom frame: lots of options less than $4k. I understand Pegoretti makes a good frame, but there's no magic to it. I bought a Mercian but I'm sure the members here can provide you with close to 100 options.

3) What you really want is a Pegoretti and you have the means: buy the Pegoretti.

Chris

My apologies. I presumed a custom Pergoretti would be about double that.

Double 4 Grand?!? Holy Smokes! - these things have GOT to be made of the fabled Arborium alloy, right?

Price a Vanilla, and then consider that Dario is probably not going to be building too much longer.

You would be surprised at how few steel frame Gios makes and how many steel frames Pegoretti makes.

Why do mean with:You would be surprised at how few steel frame Gios makes and how many steel frames Pegoretti makes

Porque la Gios produce menos bicicletas de lo que crean y Pegoretti produce mas de lo que crean. La diferencia in cantidad non es muy grande.

Pegoretti by a mile, IMO. The Luigino is way classy build with the classic lugs and is much much rarer than a run of the mill production Gios

Salut , peut.tu m´expliquer cela ici , je suis pret ŕ verser un accompte pour un luigino mais j ai encore quelques doutes.
merci.

My brother has the Peg and I looked it over from top to bottom. I have never seen anything like it. The lugwork is the best I have ever seen, period. I can's say I like his paint scheemes but you can order whatever you want.

Not true . Peg. traditionally has focused on tig'd framse. The model that interests the OP is one of the few frames that Peg. has offered, now or ever, besides, this particular model is not "traditional" , it uses an oversizse Nivachrome. Gios was making bikes while Dario was a child. Gios is not a "mass producer" like some of the members here have indicated if not stated, it's one of the very few smaller firms in Italy still making frames. The OP should know more about Gios anyway, they've a tradition in racing including that famous team, a Brooklyn Team, way back when. The OP and everyone knows or shouldd know that the comparison of the Peg. VS. the Gios couldn't be more diametrically opposed; in geometry, theme .. etc. Gios comes inn one color and is presently imported in one model. Both bikes are cool. I for one doubt that the OP will end up with a peg., it's a three year wait, actually longer. Many bikes , "traditional" or otherwise are available, most of which are "in between" these two models that've been focused on.

Hi many thank,s , at this the waiting time is 8 months.

Get a Gios compact pro at excelsports.com today.

Don't take my "mass produced" comment the wrong way. "Mass" is a relative term. I was making a distinction between an off-the-peg production frame and a custom. I don't think anyone mass produces lugged steel frames in the same sense that, say, Giant, mass produces Aluminum and CF frames. But Gios is a production shop in that they have a (small, I imagine) crew that churns out a certain amount of identical frames that they ship out to distributors. How many Peg makes I do not know.

I think the Gios frames are fabulous, actually. Had the brochure up in my room as a child for a long time! They still look just as great. I'd love to have one.

The more I've looked it looks like Pegoretti is churning out a fair number of frames themselves. I understand the guy has a big reputation but when this thread started I had in mind an old italian dude with a brazing torch in his hand in some dingy little shop in Italy and maybe an assistant helping him cut tubes, brewing espresso, bringing him a Moretti or a glass of Chianti in the afternoon, etc. From looking at the Competetive Cyclist website though it looks like they're mass producing them in at LEAST the quantities I had in mind for Gios. If that's the case that put me firmly in the "I don't get it" category. There are a lot of really fabulous truly hand-built frames out there for a lot less. Big rep or no. To each his own, price isn't the only consideration, etc. etc. but for that price it seams like it should be made of Arborium tubing hand-drawn by the builder and blessed by the pope.

Still not sure what the OP is really looking for......

Why do you mean with OP ?
realy I,m with 3 frameset
Peg luigino $ 4200
Gios compact $ 1300
De Rosa neo primato $ 1900

Well, my question is this: what are you looking for in a frame? Both aesthetic (looks, heritage, build method, etc.) and functional. If all you're looking for is a good lugged steel frame then you can't go wrong with the Gios if the geometry fits you.

I don't know a lot about bikes but I'm hoping you all can help me out here. I'm debating on whether to buy a Cadillac or a Bentley...