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Old 06-14-18, 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Cute Boy Horse
The bikes are very impressive but the tiny photos surrounded by ninety acres of white space is very much not appreciated.
Sorry about that. I got my pixels screwed up. I've corrected it (I hope).
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Sorry about that. I got my pixels screwed up. I've corrected it (I hope).
You'll get it John, just keep taking stabs at it and you will see, finally, how to do it. Ho, also, never be sorry.
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Haven't ridden the old RSW-16 folder in a while. Took it out today for a bit. I really want to get a Raleigh Twenty of similar vintage so that I can compare them back to back. The 16 is really heavy and ponderous, but in a very eager to please, sort of jovial way...




















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Originally Posted by mtb_addict
Hey y'all
I notice people's old English bike's saddle is always pushed very far forward (compare to modern bikes). Looks like base on the manufacturer's picture shown below, that's how it's meant to be. Nice!
Sorry if this has been answered already.

It looks like the saddles are pushed forward, but that's because you're eyeballing it compared with the seat tube. But what you may not notice is that the seat tube has a slack angle, so it's necessary to push the saddle forward so that it's not too far back. The nose of the saddle should be about an inch behind the center of the crank axle, and that's how it is on these old bikes, just as it is on modern bikes.
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What my husband dragged home:

My dear husband haunts estate sales hoping to score esoteric tools and vintage cameras. A couple of weeks ago he dragged home a present for me! It's a 1971(hub date) Raleigh Sports in coffee/root beer. This was THE BIKE we all took to college in the late 60s. It got a good scrubbing and polishing and new bearings everywhere, as most were scarred from the sand-like former grease. I re-built the hub - covered in another post - which gave me a true appreciation for the resources that went into these bikes. Sturmey Archer had to sell millions of these to keep the price in range of the masses considering the complexity of design and quality of materials. New 22 tooth sprocket required a new chain. I kept the old ribbed cable housings, but replaced the rusty cables. Tires, tubes and brake pads were replaced, of course. The pedals were frozen and were those German non-user-serviceable ones so I ordered from eBay some of the 1960s English-made pedals that can be overhauled. They came frozen, too, but now spin nicely. A new saddle completed the project. It rides as it should - smooth and without fuss. Shifting is responsive. The neighborhood hills are no problem with the larger sprocket. All in all, a great project!









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Originally Posted by Honusms
My dear husband haunts estate sales hoping to score esoteric tools and vintage cameras. A couple of weeks ago he dragged home a present for me! It's a 1971(hub date) Raleigh Sports in coffee/root beer. This was THE BIKE we all took to college in the late 60s. It got a good scrubbing and polishing and new bearings everywhere, as most were scarred from the sand-like former grease. I re-built the hub - covered in another post - which gave me a true appreciation for the resources that went into these bikes. Sturmey Archer had to sell millions of these to keep the price in range of the masses considering the complexity of design and quality of materials. New 22 tooth sprocket required a new chain. I kept the old ribbed cable housings, but replaced the rusty cables. Tires, tubes and brake pads were replaced, of course. The pedals were frozen and were those German non-user-serviceable ones so I ordered from eBay some of the 1960s English-made pedals that can be overhauled. They came frozen, too, but now spin nicely. A new saddle completed the project. It rides as it should - smooth and without fuss. Shifting is responsive. The neighborhood hills are no problem with the larger sprocket. All in all, a great project!







You do beautiful work @Honusms that 3 speed looks showroom! In Seattle we'd call that color Coffee
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Originally Posted by ryansu
You do beautiful work @Honusms that 3 speed looks showroom! In Seattle we'd call that color Coffee
Thanks, @ryansu. As the owner of 7 vintage espresso machines, I’ll drink to that!
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Old 06-15-18, 12:27 AM
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Elbow grease and polish

Originally Posted by Honusms
My dear husband haunts estate sales hoping to score esoteric tools and vintage cameras. A couple of weeks ago he dragged home a present for me! It's a 1971(hub date) Raleigh Sports in coffee/root beer. This was THE BIKE we all took to college in the late 60s. It got a good scrubbing and polishing and new bearings everywhere, as most were scarred from the sand-like former grease. I re-built the hub - covered in another post - which gave me a true appreciation for the resources that went into these bikes. Sturmey Archer had to sell millions of these to keep the price in range of the masses considering the complexity of design and quality of materials. New 22 tooth sprocket required a new chain. I kept the old ribbed cable housings, but replaced the rusty cables. Tires, tubes and brake pads were replaced, of course. The pedals were frozen and were those German non-user-serviceable ones so I ordered from eBay some of the 1960s English-made pedals that can be overhauled. They came frozen, too, but now spin nicely. A new saddle completed the project. It rides as it should - smooth and without fuss. Shifting is responsive. The neighborhood hills are no problem with the larger sprocket. All in all, a great project!








Wow, now that's some serious sweat gone in to that. The inside of rear hub must have taken ages. Amazing effort and results.
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@Honusms It's always nice to see such a good job done to preserve these classic roadsters. Preserving the original fluted cable housings was a nice touch. Beautiful bike!
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Originally Posted by pfaustus
I just was given a 1972 rod braked Raleigh Tourist. I find the handlebars quite narrow, but that may just be me. How wide are the narrow and wide handlebars, so I can measure and see if there is an alternative?
I think BrownGW has the correct measurement for the wide bars - 19 3/4 inches (ish) sounds right to me. My 1978 DL-1 is stored with family up north right now, but that sounds right to me. The "narrow" old-style bars on my 1962 Export Model DL-1 are just under 18 inches wide (almost a full 2 inches narrower than the standard DL-1 bars found in the US). With the narrow bars, you usually don't pedal in a tight turn. If you are going very slow and absolutely must pedal you, "open" the knee a bit to allow the bar to pass by. It's something you get used to doing with the narrow bars, but it's never as comfortable as being able to keep your leg straight-on.
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Originally Posted by SirMike1983
I think BrownGW has the correct measurement for the wide bars - 19 3/4 inches (ish) sounds right to me. My 1978 DL-1 is stored with family up north right now, but that sounds right to me. The "narrow" old-style bars on my 1962 Export Model DL-1 are just under 18 inches wide (almost a full 2 inches narrower than the standard DL-1 bars found in the US). With the narrow bars, you usually don't pedal in a tight turn. If you are going very slow and absolutely must pedal you, "open" the knee a bit to allow the bar to pass by. It's something you get used to doing with the narrow bars, but it's never as comfortable as being able to keep your leg straight-on.
Thank you. So I've already got the wider bars. That would make the narrow bars really narrow
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Black is Black
Three Black bikes and a black cat..
From left to right
1969 Robin Hood Semi Scorcher
1960 Norman w/ rear Dynohub
Glider Bitsa Semi Scorcher (year unknown)

One black cat, circa 2012.

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Originally Posted by Honusms
My dear husband haunts estate sales hoping to score esoteric tools and vintage cameras. A couple of weeks ago he dragged home a present for me! It's a 1971(hub date) Raleigh Sports in coffee/root beer. This was THE BIKE we all took to college in the late 60s. It got a good scrubbing and polishing and new bearings everywhere, as most were scarred from the sand-like former grease. I re-built the hub - covered in another post - which gave me a true appreciation for the resources that went into these bikes. Sturmey Archer had to sell millions of these to keep the price in range of the masses considering the complexity of design and quality of materials. New 22 tooth sprocket required a new chain. I kept the old ribbed cable housings, but replaced the rusty cables. Tires, tubes and brake pads were replaced, of course. The pedals were frozen and were those German non-user-serviceable ones so I ordered from eBay some of the 1960s English-made pedals that can be overhauled. They came frozen, too, but now spin nicely. A new saddle completed the project. It rides as it should - smooth and without fuss. Shifting is responsive. The neighborhood hills are no problem with the larger sprocket. All in all, a great project!








A very handsome restoration.
My only (small) note is the generic knock off shifter.
It does look better than the plastic faced period trigger but
ones in good condition can be found.
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The ol AMF Hercules carried me down this morning to the local store for some donuts. Then it sat out with me under the willow enjoying the cool, calm morning. Topped off with the donuts and coffee.





Turns out the rack is pretty good at holdling coffee cups too!


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Originally Posted by gster
Black is Black
Three Black bikes and a black cat..
From left to right
1969 Robin Hood Semi Scorcher
1961 Norman w/ rear Dynohub
1969 Robin Hood Semi Scorcher
Glider Bitsa Semi Scorcher

One black cat, circa 2012.
I must have missed that cool Norman in your previous posts, it's got some great slack angles going on, is it sports sized or is it a roadster? Nice looking bike anyway
I like black cats too
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Originally Posted by Honusms

That cleaned up nicely! What kind of grips are they? They look really good on the bike, I'd like to get some grips just like these, they look a bit like Rustines.
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Originally Posted by arty dave
I must have missed that cool Norman in your previous posts, it's got some great slack angles going on, is it sports sized or is it a roadster? Nice looking bike anyway
I like black cats too
It's a tall frame.
It showed up at a used clothing store here in Toronto a couple of years ago
and I offered $150.00 for it.
The young man called his boss and said the price was $350.00 so I passed.
The bike sat there all summer and in the fall I offered $75.00 and took it home.
I think Norman was still a separate company when this one was built.
https://threespeedmania.wordpress.co...-with-dynohub/
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Originally Posted by arty dave
That cleaned up nicely! What kind of grips are they? They look really good on the bike, I'd like to get some grips just like these, they look a bit like Rustines.
Thank you. The grips are Rustiness from VO. Very comfy!
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Originally Posted by gster
A very handsome restoration.
My only (small) note is the generic knock off shifter.
It does look better than the plastic faced period trigger but
ones in good condition can be found.
It was a fun project☺️ The shifter came with the bike. It was gummy/rusty but freed up with a little penetrating oil. I wasn’t aware that it was an after market product. I’ll keep my eye out for an OEM replacement.
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Originally Posted by Honusms


Thank you. The grips are Rustiness from VO. Very comfy!
Cool that's good to know, I'd been wondering if they were worth it.

Great write-up gster! Chainguard and cranks looks good on it too

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Originally Posted by johnnyspaghetti
this actually looks like a 23" . Wouldn't mind having that.
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Originally Posted by Honusms


It was a fun project☺️ The shifter came with the bike. It was gummy/rusty but freed up with a little penetrating oil. I wasn’t aware that it was an after market product. I’ll keep my eye out for an OEM replacement.
Personally, I like that aftermarket trigger shifter better than plastic covered Sturmey Archer version that would be period correct for this bike.
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