For the love of English 3 speeds...
11-16-19 | 02:32 PM
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The rear reflector is a Japanese unit. The originally must've been damaged and replaced.
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11-16-19 | 04:21 PM
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[MENTION=483365]Ged117[/MENTION], that's beautiful.
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11-16-19 | 04:22 PM
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Picked this up after meeting BF member WGB this morning. Had some good bike talk despite the bitter cold winds. I'm going to take my time with this one. Can't wait to see it go in the spring alongside my Superbe. Cool Raleigh memorabilia included thanks to WGB.
'56 with SW hub (two part indicator)
Front hub oiler.
Shifter in nice shape.
Other side of indicator. I didnt know the two piece was put in production so early on the SW hubs.
Booklet is a time capsule. And, is that what i think it is?
Bottom bracket oiler
She approves.
'56 with SW hub (two part indicator)
Front hub oiler.
Shifter in nice shape.
Other side of indicator. I didnt know the two piece was put in production so early on the SW hubs.
Booklet is a time capsule. And, is that what i think it is?
Bottom bracket oiler
She approves.
Those vintage composite saddles are quite durable.
11-16-19 | 06:43 PM
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11-16-19 | 07:36 PM
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11-16-19 | 07:37 PM
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11-16-19 | 07:47 PM
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11-16-19 | 11:22 PM
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I'm not sure that this reflector didn't come on the bike originally. Although, I wish I knew more about Canadian Raleighs. So many things were different from what I find in the US and catalogs. For example, red and blue Superbes with 2 tone paint and chrome fork socks. It didn't surprise me to see this different and very pretty green Sports with white mudguards in Canada. I know Raleigh had manufacturing facilities in Canada, but I'm not sure exactly what was produced there. It seems to me that they may have done their own painting in Canada for the Canadian market. There's a chance that they also used different reflectors than the usual black rubber cased units with the RI logo. Pretty sure those were made by Lucas in England. This bike is in such nice condition and, except for the Hunt Wilde grips, is totally original that it's hard to imagine the reflector needing replacement. Just a guess.
11-17-19 | 01:52 AM
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11-17-19 | 06:35 AM
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I'm not sure that this reflector didn't come on the bike originally. Although, I wish I knew more about Canadian Raleighs. So many things were different from what I find in the US and catalogs. For example, red and blue Superbes with 2 tone paint and chrome fork socks. It didn't surprise me to see this different and very pretty green Sports with white mudguards in Canada. I know Raleigh had manufacturing facilities in Canada, but I'm not sure exactly what was produced there. It seems to me that they may have done their own painting in Canada for the Canadian market. There's a chance that they also used different reflectors than the usual black rubber cased units with the RI logo. Pretty sure those were made by Lucas in England. This bike is in such nice condition and, except for the Hunt Wilde grips, is totally original that it's hard to imagine the reflector needing replacement. Just a guess.
I have a green Superbe that is more of a forest green.
I don't know if the bikes were made here or just assembled here.
It all had to do with tariffs on imported bikes to protect domestic builders.
11-17-19 | 07:28 AM
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11-17-19 | 10:26 AM
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It's just that when it comes to Canadian Raleighs, a lot of the rules I've learned about Raleighs here in the States don't apply. They seemed to have acted independently with some things. On a US export model, I would expect to see a heron transfer and a RI logo reflector mounted maybe an inch higher on the rear mudguard, but on a Canadian model, I can't say. The overall patina of the bike looks consistent to me. The only thing I'm comfortable about calling replacements are the handlebar grips.
11-17-19 | 10:46 AM
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It's just that when it comes to Canadian Raleighs, a lot of the rules I've learned about Raleighs here in the States don't apply. They seemed to have acted independently with some things. On a US export model, I would expect to see a heron transfer and a RI logo reflector mounted maybe an inch higher on the rear mudguard, but on a Canadian model, I can't say. The overall patina of the bike looks consistent to me. The only thing I'm comfortable about calling replacements are the handlebar grips.
This bike, being a '56, would be British built probably for the Canadian market.
I guess they thought we liked white accents because of all the snow....
11-17-19 | 03:40 PM
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Ah, so 1956 predates the Canadian plants? British build does then suggest the reflector is a replacement. Somehow, the detective in me isn't happy with the broken then replaced reflector explanation. Well, doesn't matter. Looks fine the way it is. I wouldn't replace it.
11-17-19 | 08:00 PM
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Ah, so 1956 predates the Canadian plants? British build does then suggest the reflector is a replacement. Somehow, the detective in me isn't happy with the broken then replaced reflector explanation. Well, doesn't matter. Looks fine the way it is. I wouldn't replace it.
11-18-19 | 04:15 AM
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Sunbeam Wayfarer 1949/50
Just acquired another Sunbeam at a bike jumble. looks all to be original except for the SA Shifter as it is a BSA built Sunbeam and has a BSA 3 Speed. It has flat North Road bars and Sunbeams own Centre-pull Brakes. Also it has the iconic 'Little Oil Bath" gear-case.
It is in rideable condition and will get the oily rag treatment plus all bearings stripped, cleaned, lubed & adjusted plus the cables need lubrication so they free up fully, they do operate the brakes but are a bit stiff.
The serial number of S48571 compares to VCC Library verified purchases to a 1949 S48161 so putting it at 1949/50. I think it is a W3 Wayfarer. These Sunbeams are unique in the the Chain-case forms/replaces the drive side Chain-stay tube. they bath the chain permanently in oil prolonging the life of the drive components.
Bike as acquired.
North Road Flat Bars
It has a Lucas Mileometer
Sunbeam Patent Centrepull Front Brake
'Little Oil Bath' Chain-case
Sunbeam Parent Centrepull Rear Brake
Original Brake Levers plus incorrect SA Shifter
Terrys Tri Spring Saddle
It is in rideable condition and will get the oily rag treatment plus all bearings stripped, cleaned, lubed & adjusted plus the cables need lubrication so they free up fully, they do operate the brakes but are a bit stiff.
The serial number of S48571 compares to VCC Library verified purchases to a 1949 S48161 so putting it at 1949/50. I think it is a W3 Wayfarer. These Sunbeams are unique in the the Chain-case forms/replaces the drive side Chain-stay tube. they bath the chain permanently in oil prolonging the life of the drive components.
Bike as acquired.
North Road Flat Bars
It has a Lucas Mileometer
Sunbeam Patent Centrepull Front Brake
'Little Oil Bath' Chain-case
Sunbeam Parent Centrepull Rear Brake
Original Brake Levers plus incorrect SA Shifter
Terrys Tri Spring Saddle
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11-18-19 | 05:39 AM
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Just acquired another Sunbeam at a bike jumble. looks all to be original except for the SA Shifter as it is a BSA built Sunbeam and has a BSA 3 Speed. It has flat North Road bars and Sunbeams own Centre-pull Brakes. Also it has the iconic 'Little Oil Bath" gear-case.
It is in rideable condition and will get the oily rag treatment plus all bearings stripped, cleaned, lubed & adjusted plus the cables need lubrication so they free up fully, they do operate the brakes but are a bit stiff.
The serial number of S48571 compares to VCC Library verified purchases to a 1949 S48161 so putting it at 1949/50. I think it is a W3 Wayfarer. These Sunbeams are unique in the the Chain-case forms/replaces the drive side Chain-stay tube. they bath the chain permanently in oil prolonging the life of the drive components.
Bike as acquired.
North Road Flat Bars
It has a Lucas Mileometer
Sunbeam Patent Centrepull Front Brake
'Little Oil Bath' Chain-case
Sunbeam Parent Centrepull Rear Brake
Original Brake Levers plus incorrect SA Shifter
Terrys Tri Spring Saddle
It is in rideable condition and will get the oily rag treatment plus all bearings stripped, cleaned, lubed & adjusted plus the cables need lubrication so they free up fully, they do operate the brakes but are a bit stiff.
The serial number of S48571 compares to VCC Library verified purchases to a 1949 S48161 so putting it at 1949/50. I think it is a W3 Wayfarer. These Sunbeams are unique in the the Chain-case forms/replaces the drive side Chain-stay tube. they bath the chain permanently in oil prolonging the life of the drive components.
Bike as acquired.
North Road Flat Bars
It has a Lucas Mileometer
Sunbeam Patent Centrepull Front Brake
'Little Oil Bath' Chain-case
Sunbeam Parent Centrepull Rear Brake
Original Brake Levers plus incorrect SA Shifter
Terrys Tri Spring Saddle
11-18-19 | 05:51 AM
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Thanks your comments, yes pretty good order, totally an accidental find and very reasonably priced.
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11-18-19 | 08:52 AM
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Just acquired another Sunbeam at a bike jumble. looks all to be original except for the SA Shifter as it is a BSA built Sunbeam and has a BSA 3 Speed. It has flat North Road bars and Sunbeams own Centre-pull Brakes. Also it has the iconic 'Little Oil Bath" gear-case.
It is in rideable condition and will get the oily rag treatment plus all bearings stripped, cleaned, lubed & adjusted plus the cables need lubrication so they free up fully, they do operate the brakes but are a bit stiff.
The serial number of S48571 compares to VCC Library verified purchases to a 1949 S48161 so putting it at 1949/50. I think it is a W3 Wayfarer. These Sunbeams are unique in the the Chain-case forms/replaces the drive side Chain-stay tube. they bath the chain permanently in oil prolonging the life of the drive components.
Bike as acquired.
North Road Flat Bars
It has a Lucas Mileometer
Sunbeam Patent Centrepull Front Brake
'Little Oil Bath' Chain-case
Sunbeam Parent Centrepull Rear Brake
Original Brake Levers plus incorrect SA Shifter
Terrys Tri Spring Saddle
It is in rideable condition and will get the oily rag treatment plus all bearings stripped, cleaned, lubed & adjusted plus the cables need lubrication so they free up fully, they do operate the brakes but are a bit stiff.
The serial number of S48571 compares to VCC Library verified purchases to a 1949 S48161 so putting it at 1949/50. I think it is a W3 Wayfarer. These Sunbeams are unique in the the Chain-case forms/replaces the drive side Chain-stay tube. they bath the chain permanently in oil prolonging the life of the drive components.
Bike as acquired.
North Road Flat Bars
It has a Lucas Mileometer
Sunbeam Patent Centrepull Front Brake
'Little Oil Bath' Chain-case
Sunbeam Parent Centrepull Rear Brake
Original Brake Levers plus incorrect SA Shifter
Terrys Tri Spring Saddle
I like the chrome fork tips.
11-18-19 | 09:00 AM
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Just acquired another Sunbeam at a bike jumble. looks all to be original except for the SA Shifter as it is a BSA built Sunbeam and has a BSA 3 Speed. It has flat North Road bars and Sunbeams own Centre-pull Brakes. Also it has the iconic 'Little Oil Bath" gear-case.
It is in rideable condition and will get the oily rag treatment plus all bearings stripped, cleaned, lubed & adjusted plus the cables need lubrication so they free up fully, they do operate the brakes but are a bit stiff.
The serial number of S48571 compares to VCC Library verified purchases to a 1949 S48161 so putting it at 1949/50. I think it is a W3 Wayfarer. These Sunbeams are unique in the the Chain-case forms/replaces the drive side Chain-stay tube. they bath the chain permanently in oil prolonging the life of the drive components.
It is in rideable condition and will get the oily rag treatment plus all bearings stripped, cleaned, lubed & adjusted plus the cables need lubrication so they free up fully, they do operate the brakes but are a bit stiff.
The serial number of S48571 compares to VCC Library verified purchases to a 1949 S48161 so putting it at 1949/50. I think it is a W3 Wayfarer. These Sunbeams are unique in the the Chain-case forms/replaces the drive side Chain-stay tube. they bath the chain permanently in oil prolonging the life of the drive components.
Sunbeam was part of BSA until Raleigh took over BSA in 1957, so you' ll need a shifter like this one - introduced in 1948.
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11-18-19 | 09:56 AM
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Just acquired another Sunbeam at a bike jumble. looks all to be original except for the SA Shifter as it is a BSA built Sunbeam and has a BSA 3 Speed. It has flat North Road bars and Sunbeams own Centre-pull Brakes. Also it has the iconic 'Little Oil Bath" gear-case.
It is in rideable condition and will get the oily rag treatment plus all bearings stripped, cleaned, lubed & adjusted plus the cables need lubrication so they free up fully, they do operate the brakes but are a bit stiff.
The serial number of S48571 compares to VCC Library verified purchases to a 1949 S48161 so putting it at 1949/50. I think it is a W3 Wayfarer. These Sunbeams are unique in the the Chain-case forms/replaces the drive side Chain-stay tube. they bath the chain permanently in oil prolonging the life of the drive components.
It is in rideable condition and will get the oily rag treatment plus all bearings stripped, cleaned, lubed & adjusted plus the cables need lubrication so they free up fully, they do operate the brakes but are a bit stiff.
The serial number of S48571 compares to VCC Library verified purchases to a 1949 S48161 so putting it at 1949/50. I think it is a W3 Wayfarer. These Sunbeams are unique in the the Chain-case forms/replaces the drive side Chain-stay tube. they bath the chain permanently in oil prolonging the life of the drive components.
11-18-19 | 10:14 AM
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[MENTION=483365]Ged117[/MENTION]
1956 Raleigh Sports and goodies
Best thing about it was the paint job! I guarantee that I will have a lot more rust on me when I'm '63!
1956 Raleigh Sports and goodies
Best thing about it was the paint job! I guarantee that I will have a lot more rust on me when I'm '63!
11-18-19 | 10:31 AM
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https://www.hoopriderparts.com/produ...-speed-shifter
I've dealt with them in the past and was very pleased.
11-18-19 | 10:36 AM
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