Jay,

May I suggest that the most appropriate choices would be to either 1) restore and save for the kids (as parents I don't believe it is correct to dump our projects onto our kids. They have lives of their own and different perspectives and will either never get around to do the needed restoration or will feel obliged to do the restoration because of love or respect for the parent. Either way it is better to do the restoration now than later. ) or 2) trade with a collector for a bike more in keeping with your needs (I would expect that Old Fat Guy would be able to help you out in that way) or 3) sell it immediately on ebay. I believe that choices 1) and 2) are most appropriate as it has been my observation that Altenberger Cinelli's never bring much money when sold (when compared to otherwise equipped Cinelli bikes of the same vintage) and your bike will require an inordinate amount of work due to the plating issues.

How about if you were to list the size requirements that you are interested in for a modern road bike and see what might turn up?

There is one person who consistently gives advice that is spot on in this forum, and that is Citoyen du Monde. He has done so in the other current Cinelli thread as well.

I have a couple of bikes available that I have offered to Jay, just waiting to hear from him

Cash is often an able middleman between what you have and what you want. Horse trading can sometimes be a pain in the hindquarters.

Agreed. I have no desire to take on a project like this Cinelli, but Jay is looking for a decent road bike, and I have a Centurion Comp TA and Fuji Series V that would fit him.

If someone else wants the Cinelli, I would be happy to help pack/ship it, providing the stem and seat post aren't fused to the frame, and the fender nuts co-operate.

He is all of 4 blocks from my MI home.

ain't that the truth!

I'm just happy to see OFG back! You've been missed. Stick around; we need all the braintrust we can get around here.

I just spoke to the owner of this bike, he is getting ready to sell. He intends to put it on eBay in the next few weeks, but would love to bypass that route, if anyone is interested.

He doesn't frequent the forum, so PM me and I can help facilitate.

BTW, stem and seatpost are NOT stuck.

What happened to the old Cinelli?

If it's not sold I could be interested in parts. Saddle, seatpost, seatpost bolt, headbadge and fenders.

WOW - I wish I saw this back then - I'd have found something to give him for it.

That project might not be cost effective, but man what you ended up with would be awesome!

It now resides in my collection. I'm afraid that it's still "in process." It's fully dismantled and I am still in process or rust removal from all the small bits and rebuilding the wheels (old spokes were toast). The frame cleaned up reasonably well, with some spots of significant paint loss but with the original paint mostly intact. I have a couple projects in front of it but expect to get to it by mid-winter.

@bibliobob

Ah, I hope you post some photos here when the project is finished. Love to see it.

+1!

By the way, can someone tell me more about those rear dropouts? Pic #12 of 17 in the original attachment shows that the rear wheel enters the dropout by going up and then forward, with adjustment screws at the front of the dropouts. Never seen those before.

https://www.disraeligears.co.uk/Site/...erailleur.html

https://velosniper.blogspot.com/2008/11/sold-1126.html

https://www.velo-retro.com/vrII4.html