Japanese frames generally have the serial number stamped on the underside of the bottom bracket shell (i.e. the part of the frame that the cranks/pedal arms pass through).

Hello welcome to the fourms. I agree with T-Mar the ser # should be under the BB or for some reason the number on my '87 Sport SX is on the nondrive side (left) of the seattube. I am not sure just what other models used this other than the maybe the 87 Brava since they shared the same frame.

Your best bet on getting information on the bike is to post some good pics of it so T-Mar and I can spar with each other over just what it is. This may help with terminiology.


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Hi, and greetings from Finland! :)

I found you guys after searching through the internet for few days now. I bought a very, VERY beaten up Bianchi frame for about $40, and I'm now trying to figure out just what I am the proud owner of? :lol: I'm not interrested in the price, I'm not gonna sell this, but it would be nice to be able to make it look even remotely original, eventhough I'll probably make it a single speed.

Specs:
1) Ofmega headset
2) Shimano bb, Italian, 70mm w/ 128,5mm spindle, I think.
3) chrome fork, Suntour GT forkends.
4) seatpost roughly ~25,7mm
5) number 72852 on the outside of the left dropout.
6) HANDCARVED(!!) number under the bb: 090248-543A. This was found under the paint, which was mostly gone anyway. A little sanding paper and chrom glans, and I was aktuaalisesti able to read it.
7) 2 cable guides on lower left side of tt.
8) c-c, 58cm
9) there has been a "steel type" -decal (chromoly?) high up on the seat tube, but there's only a small corner left of the decal.

Other than that, previous owner said, that he bought it from a bike collector who said it was chromoly frame and about 40 years old.

I'm having a hard time figuring out what this is? Is it even a Bianchi, or just some steel frame with Bianchi decals?!?!? :eek:

I know it's from the European market, and there's really almost nothing to help you identify this, but let's give it a shot! I'll try to post pictures here, hopefully
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Sorry, something flipped my photos! Hope you can make something out of then though...

Hello Welcome to the forums. I think this a '70s model with a non original fork. I suspect this might be a 'city' type frame judging from the kickstand plate and the large brake bridge with a tab for fenders.

My old Bianchi Positron D28 Mixte has a set up like that.


If your very careful you might get that paint to flake off that decal. I suspect it will say HighTen or something like that.

+1 to everything BG said. Also, while it's difficult to tell, I don't see a non-drive side cable stop or guide in the vicinity of the bottom bracket shell. The lack of these would indicate no front derailleur and further support the city bicycle assessment. The 25.7mm post is just about right on for Bianchi's tubi calibrati 1-20, a high tensile steel, The only puzzling evidence is the serial number format and location. The 1970s models typically used a different format and were located on the collar of the upper head lug.

Thank you Bianchigirll and T-mar for the quick replies!

This pretty much goes with my own investigations. I also noticed the large kickstand plate and brakebridge, which indicate that this probably is not a road frame. :(

T-Mar, come to think of it, you're quite right, there are no cable stops or guides. BUT, there's a signifigant wear/scratching at the seat tube, where I thought the front deraillur would have been. Let me post you a pic, so you understand what I mean.

Anyway, this goes with my own suspicions/fears, that this infact is not even a mid-range model. Hell, is this even considered low-range on something below that?!? :lol: But, as I said earlier, I'm gonna build a single speed "citybike" out of this. I bet it does that job well. I'm not so superficial that I'd need a Bianchi Pista just to look cool in the eyes of the local fixyscene! :lol:

I found '73 (Italian market) and '78 Bianchi catalogs, but they did not help. Well, gotta keep on searching!! :thumb:

Yes, I saw that too. I'd like to be able to tell you that it's from a Campagnolo Sport front derailleur (the one with the lever mounted directly to the cage) but the frame's decals are far too modern for that. I'm assuming they are from a chainguard mounting bracket.

Edit: The other aspect that points towards a city bicycle is the geometry. Given the apparent era, most race race would have a head angle slightly steeper than the seat tube. At worst they would be parallel. In your picture, the head tube angle appears slacker than the seat tube. That's usually a good indicator that it's not a race frame, unless it is very old.

Ok, thanks for the info. I didn't ever consider the possibility on a chainguard, but now that you mention it.... :lol:

I found a picture of a "1960/1970ties Bianchi Campione Del Mondo Bike" on one website, but is that even a model name? One doesn't have to be a linguistic genious (was that even spelled right? :lol: ) to understand that's just Italian for "World Champion". I don't know Bianchis history that well, but didn't they have campione del mondo -decals in the early 70's and early 80's on about all the bikes?

Anyway, that bike looks pretty much spot on when compaired with my frame. Otherwise the setup looks quite different... Here's a link. 5th from the bottom.

http://recycledcycle.weebly.com/bikes-for-sale.html

Yes, at one time Bianchi did offer a Campione del Mondo model, but it was a high end racing model. Unfortunately, following a world championship victory they typically applied celebratory decals to all models, usually for several years. This, combined with the their mysterious ability to shed model designation decals, leads many owners to announce that they own a Campione del Mondo, when it's actually a lesser model.

Felice Gimondi won the world championship road race for Bianchi in 1973 so the celebratory decal for that victory appeared for most of the remainder of that decade. A similar decal appeared on late 1980s Bianchi after Moreno Argentin won the 1986 world championship road race.

The bicycle in the link is almost certainly erroneously named on the basis of one of these celebratory decals. That, taken in conjunction with the decal style, would place it mid to late 1970s. It does indeed appear to be a touring model as claimed. While it does have a kickstand mounting plate, it does not appear to have the plate style rear brake bridge, though I can't say with absolute certainty. There is a front derailleur but you cannot tell how the cable is routed. There could be a cable routing clamp hidden behind the crankset.

So far, it's inconclusive. However, there are two features which distinguish it from your frame. First, there is a bracket brazed onto the left seat stay, presumibly for the generator. You can see it, about 5-7cms below the rim, though it's in the shadows. Second, it has parallel head and seat tube angles, typical for a touring bicycle of the era.

MY GOD YOU'RE GOOD!! :D

Thanks for the enlightment, once again. As for the project at hand, I found an old stem from my pile of "cycling related junk". It fits quite nicely on this one. I've also acquired a front wheel (maybe not from the 70's, but still a old wheel, with a nice looking hub) and a handlebar. I'm still not sure of that for some reason. To me a Bianchi of any sort just shouts drop bars. But I'm somewhat interested in a combination of a riserbar and a front rack, since this will be my "citybike". This is my fifth bike at the moment meaning I'm in no hurry putting it together, so I have plenty of time to think and ponder... :)

And ask alot of questions!!! :D

Every Peugeot is a PX-10, every Raleigh is a Super Corse and every other Bianchi is Specialissima. The Bianchis that arn't Specialissimas are Campione del Mondos.

Your bike is more like a Sport ot Standard. Whatever it is, it is not a top of the line Bianchi like a Campione del Mondo.

That sounds about right. The problem I have, is that I don't even know all (not even close actually) Bianchi models so I don't even know what to search for. :(

So Sport or Standard? Sounds like something I'm building, standard yet sporty. :D I'll look into those and continue my search. I talked with an old friend of mine today, she works as a painter in a local car dealership. I've been thinking of getting the frame there to have it re-painted after I'm done scraping the old paint and rust off. Do you know, if Bianchi paint color codes are listed somewhere? I'm thinking of doing this ovet with maybe the same paint...?

I'm sure BG meant that every Raleigh that turns up is allegedly a Professional. The Super Course was low enough in the line that that it was actually a very big seller and a large amount of legitimate Super Course do surface.

I'm surprised BG didn't mention that every frame having a Cinelli bottom bracket shell is an actual Cinelli. We've had a lot of erroneous Cinelli claims lately.

I would not get too worried abiut what color it used to be, just pic a blue you like have it painted. Were you able to find anything on the decal below the seat lug?

Actually yes, I did find something from under the seat lug. Unfortunately, it was a sticker from the company that's originally sold the bike. :(
(Edit: not necessarily the original resaler, but under the paintjob anyway.)

BUT, it's a good thing that you got me into this!!


I had to use a high power flashlight to see what I'm doing. This actually, besides helping mee see the disappointing sticker under the seat lug, also helped me to realize, that the frame has indeed been re-painted!! ​:eek: Actually, the decals on the seat tube and the down tube have just been covered and the frame has been painted with an ever so slightly darker shade of blue. This can also be seen at some places where the paint has flaked but the frame hasn't yet started gathering rust...


Well, as you suggested, I think I'll just go and pick some random dark blue color and have the frame painted with that. Or with some other color? You never know, clearly there's nothing worth saving so I can let my imagination run wild... ;)

Could I get some help in identifying this one please? Just picked it up last weekend and it is a dream to ride. I love it! I have read through all 20 pages of this thread trying to figure out what model this Bianchi is. But I give up and will leave it to the professionals. My first thought was a Limited but some of the details don't match others I have seen. I am positive it has complete Triomphe Corsa groupset. The only thing I have changed is new bar tape and swap out the saddle and pedals. Serial number is A5144D5. Thanks for the help!



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Hello JAA welcome to the forums. I am pretty certain you have a beautiful example of an '85 Veloce in the stunning Metallic Violet color and yes it should be all Triomphe. That has Comumbus Special tubing right?

Yep, you are correct. Thanks for the info!

Hi All and greetings from Hungray.
I would really appreciate your help guys. I am planing to buy my first Bianchi on the weekend but I am a bit worried about the origin of the bike. I know it should be a letter B on the fork but actually there are a letter S on it. Its just one thing but could explain everything. Has anybody seen a Bianchi fork with a letter S on it?
Many thanks
Bandi

I agree that doesn't look like a Bianchi fork crown what about the rest?

Hi Bianchigirll


The guy just sent me over the following link:


Furthermore he said that ha changed the original yellow stickers to green ones. I don't know, it's sound really suspicious. What do you think? Could it be a Bianchi?


Thanks for you help!

It's not a Bianchi. The seat stay caps have the same embossed S within a diamond, as the fork crown.

Do you have any idea what else could it be?

I see what you mean. It isn't easy to see from this angle but it there.

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The decals look bogus from the first glance. They may be real Bianchi decals but type and placement is all wrong. If it really is Columbus Zeta tubing it should be a decent riding bike though.

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Many thanks again. You saved me to from a big mistake.

Thanks again
Bandi