1972 Eddy Merckx
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Take some more pics of the frame details. Heart shaped cutouts could be convincing, but I'm sceptical of the BB shell with no perforation(s).
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And I probably overstated the case for De Rosa building some of the early Merckx production (or at least show) bikes. But I think the evidence is increasingly convincing on that score. Hilary Stone has had a few enlightening examples, and the blue one on his wool jersey site is pretty convincing for someone who's looked at a lot of De Rosas (and owned a similar one) - the whole build and details just shout De Rosa to me. I doubt the Merckx setup would have produced something quite that much of a dead ringer, even using frame parts supplied by De Rosa. I'm sure I'm not the only one to think that, but I agree it's not a certainty at this point.
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Yeah I saw "Velosport" and could only think of the shop in Berkeley, CA (which would not be a useful clue). Didn't know there was yet another licensee (in Italy, no less) that made Merckx frames. This Velosport, Bologna: any connection to DeRosa?
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It's a middling frame, as evidenced by the components (and what you can see of the frame details and general build quality), and certainly not built by De Rosa.
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I will agree with the "not", and with the components, I am not sure about the "middling" part though. If that is a weird indent on the side of the DT lug and not my monitor playing tricks, I will agree across the board with you!
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I read what there is on "Velosport Bologna" in the CR archives and according to Listmaster Dale, if yours has Gipiemme dropouts it's likely from mid-to-late '70s.
Another owner of one of these "export prohibited" Italian-market-only bikes says his has no tubing decal...so I wonder if the foil Columbus decal is real or a wanna-be.
As far as price: the only 'for sale' was in 2004 for a frame/fork with HS and BB plus shifters in good/fair condition (original paint and decals): $125.
Another owner of one of these "export prohibited" Italian-market-only bikes says his has no tubing decal...so I wonder if the foil Columbus decal is real or a wanna-be.
As far as price: the only 'for sale' was in 2004 for a frame/fork with HS and BB plus shifters in good/fair condition (original paint and decals): $125.
Last edited by unworthy1; 03-22-11 at 02:21 PM.
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Bend, OR
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Just to really "split hairs", "high-end production" IS hand made. You don't throw tubes and lugs in a hopper and a bike comes out the other end.
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Bend, OR
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But bottom line: in my world, that's a mid-level frame and bike.
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Too many people do not see past names and legends, you need to look at the work.
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For lugged steel frames. The difference is in the filing. The amount of it, and the shaping and proportions. It really does not matter if a frame is built by a single man or a production shop. Both are usually capable of fine work if that is the desired outcome, and both can (will) cut corners if that is what's called for. And there's always "good days and bad days".
Too many people do not see past names and legends, you need to look at the work.
Too many people do not see past names and legends, you need to look at the work.
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