73 Paramount
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73 Paramount
I have a 73 Paramount serial #H73241, What im trying to figure out is what model? The bottom of the frame has P2 marked on it, I believe it is a P13 but not sure, Any help with this would be great. Here is a some pics, not the best but might help....
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Welcome to C&V. Your P-13 is difficult to look out. Even your dog and daughter appear to be chagrined by the abuse it appears to have been through. Did you rescue it from a river bottom or a flooded home? If so, let's talk about how to resuscitate it before it is too late.

First, remove the stem and seat post. If they are stuck, begin applying Liquid Wrench liberally to the edges where they meet the tubing. Soak for 24+ hours. You cannot use too much.
Second, remove the chain and toss in trash. Use bolt cutters or a hack saw. Don't ruin a chain tool.
Third, remove the rear wheel and remove the freewheel. Go to a bike shop if you don't have a tool. It looks as if it should go in the trash with the chain. While you are at the shop, have the cranks and bottom bracket removed.
Fourth, remove and throw away the existing cables.
Report back on your progress. Post more pictures.
First, remove the stem and seat post. If they are stuck, begin applying Liquid Wrench liberally to the edges where they meet the tubing. Soak for 24+ hours. You cannot use too much.
Second, remove the chain and toss in trash. Use bolt cutters or a hack saw. Don't ruin a chain tool.
Third, remove the rear wheel and remove the freewheel. Go to a bike shop if you don't have a tool. It looks as if it should go in the trash with the chain. While you are at the shop, have the cranks and bottom bracket removed.
Fourth, remove and throw away the existing cables.
Report back on your progress. Post more pictures.
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The top tube cable clamps suggest the racing model over the touring; I'm not that familiar with the model numbers. Great find!
I think it will come back to life pretty nicely, if looking its age!
pastorbobs advice is a good place to start. Go slow... They're sweet bikes, worth saving.
I think it will come back to life pretty nicely, if looking its age!
pastorbobs advice is a good place to start. Go slow... They're sweet bikes, worth saving.
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thanks for the help
Welcome to C&V. Your P-13 is difficult to look out. Even your dog and daughter appear to be chagrined by the abuse it appears to have been through. Did you rescue it from a river bottom or a flooded home? If so, let's talk about how to resuscitate it before it is too late.

First, remove the stem and seat post. If they are stuck, begin applying Liquid Wrench liberally to the edges where they meet the tubing. Soak for 24+ hours. You cannot use too much.
Second, remove the chain and toss in trash. Use bolt cutters or a hack saw. Don't ruin a chain tool.
Third, remove the rear wheel and remove the freewheel. Go to a bike shop if you don't have a tool. It looks as if it should go in the trash with the chain. While you are at the shop, have the cranks and bottom bracket removed.
Fourth, remove and throw away the existing cables.
Report back on your progress. Post more pictures.
First, remove the stem and seat post. If they are stuck, begin applying Liquid Wrench liberally to the edges where they meet the tubing. Soak for 24+ hours. You cannot use too much.
Second, remove the chain and toss in trash. Use bolt cutters or a hack saw. Don't ruin a chain tool.
Third, remove the rear wheel and remove the freewheel. Go to a bike shop if you don't have a tool. It looks as if it should go in the trash with the chain. While you are at the shop, have the cranks and bottom bracket removed.
Fourth, remove and throw away the existing cables.
Report back on your progress. Post more pictures.
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It'll make a great project for someone. The fact that all the components are there and appear to be original is a big plus.
The top tube rear brake cable clips (it appears to be missing the middle one; there should be three), double crank, and lack of eyelets on the dropouts peg it as a P13-9 Professional Road Racer as cudak888 and dbakl suggest. It looks like it's probably a 24" frame. You should measure it to be sure, but make sure you include the size in any for sale ad.
The top tube rear brake cable clips (it appears to be missing the middle one; there should be three), double crank, and lack of eyelets on the dropouts peg it as a P13-9 Professional Road Racer as cudak888 and dbakl suggest. It looks like it's probably a 24" frame. You should measure it to be sure, but make sure you include the size in any for sale ad.
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It looks like the chrome is still in good condition, that's important to almost any potential buyer (like me). Schwinns usually have really good chrome plating as opposed to others. Most of the small parts look like they are still good once cleaned and/or polished.
Good luck!
Good luck!
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1971 Paramount P-13 Chrome
1973 Paramount P-15 Opaque Blue
1974 Raleigh Professional Blue Mink
1991 Waterford Paramount
Holland Titanium Dura Ace Group
Holland Titanium Ultegra Triple Group
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Welcome to C&V. Your P-13 is difficult to look out. Even your dog and daughter appear to be chagrined by the abuse it appears to have been through. Did you rescue it from a river bottom or a flooded home? If so, let's talk about how to resuscitate it before it is too late.
First, remove the stem and seat post. If they are stuck, begin applying Liquid Wrench liberally to the edges where they meet the tubing. Soak for 24+ hours. You cannot use too much.
Second, remove the chain and toss in trash. Use bolt cutters or a hack saw. Don't ruin a chain tool.
Third, remove the rear wheel and remove the freewheel. Go to a bike shop if you don't have a tool. It looks as if it should go in the trash with the chain. While you are at the shop, have the cranks and bottom bracket removed.
Fourth, remove and throw away the existing cables.
Report back on your progress. Post more pictures.
First, remove the stem and seat post. If they are stuck, begin applying Liquid Wrench liberally to the edges where they meet the tubing. Soak for 24+ hours. You cannot use too much.
Second, remove the chain and toss in trash. Use bolt cutters or a hack saw. Don't ruin a chain tool.
Third, remove the rear wheel and remove the freewheel. Go to a bike shop if you don't have a tool. It looks as if it should go in the trash with the chain. While you are at the shop, have the cranks and bottom bracket removed.
Fourth, remove and throw away the existing cables.
Report back on your progress. Post more pictures.
Well, if it is a Regina it probably has damaged splines, maybe it IS beyond saving.
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1971 Paramount P-13 Chrome
1973 Paramount P-15 Opaque Blue
1974 Raleigh Professional Blue Mink
1991 Waterford Paramount
Holland Titanium Dura Ace Group
Holland Titanium Ultegra Triple Group
1971 Paramount P-13 Chrome
1973 Paramount P-15 Opaque Blue
1974 Raleigh Professional Blue Mink
1991 Waterford Paramount
Holland Titanium Dura Ace Group
Holland Titanium Ultegra Triple Group
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Thats what I thought it just making sure, The bike is not as bad as it looks. The chain, rear sprocket, and spokes are shot. Very light rust on some of the other chrome, Tried to get some good pictures, but I guess I need a good camera first. I would like to restore the bike but dont have the time or money. I was trying to see what I have, so I could put it up for sale. Figure I might let it go to a new home where someone could bring it back to life.. thanks for the replys.
-Kurt
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Originally Posted by RabidKoala
What do you mean that freewheel can't be saved? Are there freewheels that can't be saved?
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Thats what I thought it just making sure, The bike is not as bad as it looks. The chain, rear sprocket, and spokes are shot. Very light rust on some of the other chrome, Tried to get some good pictures, but I guess I need a good camera first. I would like to restore the bike but dont have the time or money. I was trying to see what I have, so I could put it up for sale. Figure I might let it go to a new home where someone could bring it back to life.. thanks for the replys.
Where are you located? If you're local to someone on the forum who is up for a big project, it could work well for both of you as you'd both save the cost of shipping and paypal/ebay fees.
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Thanks, I have had it sitting for about 12 yrs now as is, I cant even remember where i got it. Thinking about selling it but I dont even know what to ask for it. I was going to put it on ebay and see what happens. But Im not much of a ebayer. I have had a couple people hit me up on here about it, just stumped on a price.. Anybody got any ideas**********?
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Thanks, I have had it sitting for about 12 yrs now as is, I cant even remember where i got it. Thinking about selling it but I dont even know what to ask for it. I was going to put it on ebay and see what happens. But Im not much of a ebayer. I have had a couple people hit me up on here about it, just stumped on a price.. Anybody got any ideas**********?
-Kurt
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Yeah, you are probably right. I did take a SunTour apart once that came to me attached to a pile of Nishiki Junk and soaked it in OA after putting grease on the bearing races. The cogs were left on for this. It came out pretty good, I am still using it today. Just because you can does not indicate that you necessarily should, especially in light of the cost of replacements.
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1991 Waterford Paramount
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Holland Titanium Ultegra Triple Group
1971 Paramount P-13 Chrome
1973 Paramount P-15 Opaque Blue
1974 Raleigh Professional Blue Mink
1991 Waterford Paramount
Holland Titanium Dura Ace Group
Holland Titanium Ultegra Triple Group
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(Oh, were you just talking about the freewheel? Yeah, replace, don't mess with it. I was talking about the entire bike!)
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It looks far better now:

-Kurt
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Just realize that not taking the time to fully rehab it is going to mean a huge haircut on the price. Buyers have no imagination, and 90% of the potential customers will skip it. Of the remaining 10%, most of them will expect a huge discount. Its still a Paramount, and pretty complete, so you should do fine regardless.
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