Please post your C&V Sport Touring Bikes.
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I think a "Touring" bike has VERY long chain stays, Lot of rake typically but not always Canti's.
"Sport Touring" or Light Touring is a little less Chainstay Not as much Rake but still a good amount. Full Braze-ons are optional. Brakes are either or. Can handle tires up to around 32mm.
This may be pushing it in some peoples eyes but my Lotus Prestige Plenty of gear on the Freewheel and long stays and could clear 32's.
My Trek 420
Schwinn Super LeTour 12.2
My Raleigh thats not a Raleigh but dont know what it is bike. No rack mounts its held on by P clips. Does have a headlight bracket. Campy drops, lot of Campy Record parts and Shimano Arabesque derailleurs. Set up for center pulls.
I need to get a current picture. Its lost the racks, gained a Campagne bag on a decaileur, VO Fender and lost the battery lighting.
"Sport Touring" or Light Touring is a little less Chainstay Not as much Rake but still a good amount. Full Braze-ons are optional. Brakes are either or. Can handle tires up to around 32mm.
This may be pushing it in some peoples eyes but my Lotus Prestige Plenty of gear on the Freewheel and long stays and could clear 32's.
My Trek 420
Schwinn Super LeTour 12.2
My Raleigh thats not a Raleigh but dont know what it is bike. No rack mounts its held on by P clips. Does have a headlight bracket. Campy drops, lot of Campy Record parts and Shimano Arabesque derailleurs. Set up for center pulls.
I need to get a current picture. Its lost the racks, gained a Campagne bag on a decaileur, VO Fender and lost the battery lighting.
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I just got my World Voyageur rolling. Still have much to do, I have upgrade parts at home so this will do untill I can get there for the holidays.
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I think this qualifies - it's set up for touring and looks sporty to me
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Alex Moll gifted me the Bluemel's Club Specials yesterday when I visited - thanks Alex! I got the Eclipse bag and SPT (Seat Post Thing) from Ebay recently. Now I can run daypacks front and rear vice looking for canti-stud racks and panniers.
All ready for winter commuting
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Alex Moll gifted me the Bluemel's Club Specials yesterday when I visited - thanks Alex! I got the Eclipse bag and SPT (Seat Post Thing) from Ebay recently. Now I can run daypacks front and rear vice looking for canti-stud racks and panniers.
All ready for winter commuting
DD
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^Nice transformation DD!
Although the definition may have changed over the years, we're focusing on C&V-defined sport touring. (IMO) That means no compact frames/sloping top tube, head and seat tube angles greater than 72 degrees but no greater than 75, usually centers around 73/73 for a mid-sized frame. Short chainstays, but can still mount 28mm / 1-1/8" tires. No relaxed and lazy fork, but not as twitchy as a full road race model. One set of eyelets front and rear for fenders. No canti bosses, frames use normal reach calipers either centerpull or sidepull.
A designer of course could sway either more sporting or touring in the definition of a sport tourer, as evident with some of the nice rides posted. But I believe the truest mark of a sport tourer are Randonneur framesets.
I think a nice comparison of sport tourer vs. tourer is the specs given for a Specialized Sequoia and Expedition. Recently posted in another thread.
Although the definition may have changed over the years, we're focusing on C&V-defined sport touring. (IMO) That means no compact frames/sloping top tube, head and seat tube angles greater than 72 degrees but no greater than 75, usually centers around 73/73 for a mid-sized frame. Short chainstays, but can still mount 28mm / 1-1/8" tires. No relaxed and lazy fork, but not as twitchy as a full road race model. One set of eyelets front and rear for fenders. No canti bosses, frames use normal reach calipers either centerpull or sidepull.
A designer of course could sway either more sporting or touring in the definition of a sport tourer, as evident with some of the nice rides posted. But I believe the truest mark of a sport tourer are Randonneur framesets.
I think a nice comparison of sport tourer vs. tourer is the specs given for a Specialized Sequoia and Expedition. Recently posted in another thread.
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^ Thanks!
I think you guys are spot-on with the "sport tourer" definition. Anything more than a couple eyelets either end, slack but not too slack geometry and having centerpulls/cantis makes it a full-blown touring bike.
BTW, the canti bosses on mine were crudely-brazed afterthoughts and not original to the bike. I had them left on the frame when it was restored to offer up some application flexibility.
DD
I think you guys are spot-on with the "sport tourer" definition. Anything more than a couple eyelets either end, slack but not too slack geometry and having centerpulls/cantis makes it a full-blown touring bike.
BTW, the canti bosses on mine were crudely-brazed afterthoughts and not original to the bike. I had them left on the frame when it was restored to offer up some application flexibility.
DD
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Just about any non-high-end bike from the bike-boom era could be considered a sports-tourer.
You want eyelets? We gots a lotta' eyelets. Eyelets, eyelets everywhere.
You want eyelets? We gots a lotta' eyelets. Eyelets, eyelets everywhere.
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I pulled that rack off an old Traveler in our barn and I've been using it on my Le Tour. The Le Tour only has one set of eyelets though, so it's a good thing I have more than adequate clearance to put the fender mounts inboard and the rack mounts outboard... I don't care for the setup, but as long as I don't put much weight on the rack I tend not to worry about it.
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Powder coated and decals. It is a Planet bike and just clears the lug. I did have to mount the upper rack stays on the inside of the braze ons to clear the new Ultegra caliper. Really like the bike, it rides much smoother than the AL framed '88 Trek 1000 I commuted on for years.
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I think this qualifies - it's set up for touring and looks sporty to me
1971 Mondia Special (pre-geeked-out):
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Alex Moll gifted me the Bluemel's Club Specials yesterday when I visited - thanks Alex! I got the Eclipse bag and SPT (Seat Post Thing) from Ebay recently. Now I can run daypacks front and rear vice looking for canti-stud racks and panniers.
All ready for winter commuting
DD
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Alex Moll gifted me the Bluemel's Club Specials yesterday when I visited - thanks Alex! I got the Eclipse bag and SPT (Seat Post Thing) from Ebay recently. Now I can run daypacks front and rear vice looking for canti-stud racks and panniers.
All ready for winter commuting
DD
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^ I'm just poking fun at myself - I haven't run fenders since my Schwinn "Apple Krate" days
I ran around with it in the rain today - a little side-splash from the front wheel while going through puddled water, but other than that I stayed pretty dry. And no water from the rear wheel soaking my glute-crack! Gotta love that. Since the commute is only 4 miles or so, I'll be arriving pretty dry for the most part.
I'm really looking forward to this commute thing.
DD
I ran around with it in the rain today - a little side-splash from the front wheel while going through puddled water, but other than that I stayed pretty dry. And no water from the rear wheel soaking my glute-crack! Gotta love that. Since the commute is only 4 miles or so, I'll be arriving pretty dry for the most part.
I'm really looking forward to this commute thing.
DD
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Does a 74 Motobecane GT count as a sport tourer?
Sorry about the crappy pic.
Sorry about the crappy pic.
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That Moto is the definition of a sport tourer.
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In the 70's almost all bikes were sport tourers, and even half the racers made good sport tourers if you changed the wheels and gearing.
The geometry of bicycles changed over the years. Many racing bikes of the 1960's and early 70's had frame geometry and wheel clearances that by the early or mid 80's would be considered slack even for a sport tourer. Everything kept tightening up as far as angles and clearances, but sport tourers were always in the middle between tourers and racers.
The components define the sport tourer as well, especially middle-weight wheels and mid-range gearing.
Although the price and quality doesn't define the genre, most sport tourers were solidly middle-range with regards to price-- there weren't very many high-end models.
So, just pick out the middle of everything, and there's your sport tourer.
I love 'em: you can do leisurely family excursions, faster-paced riding, commuting, light touring, beer runs, and randonneuring all on the same bike, and do it pretty well.
The geometry of bicycles changed over the years. Many racing bikes of the 1960's and early 70's had frame geometry and wheel clearances that by the early or mid 80's would be considered slack even for a sport tourer. Everything kept tightening up as far as angles and clearances, but sport tourers were always in the middle between tourers and racers.
The components define the sport tourer as well, especially middle-weight wheels and mid-range gearing.
Although the price and quality doesn't define the genre, most sport tourers were solidly middle-range with regards to price-- there weren't very many high-end models.
So, just pick out the middle of everything, and there's your sport tourer.
I love 'em: you can do leisurely family excursions, faster-paced riding, commuting, light touring, beer runs, and randonneuring all on the same bike, and do it pretty well.
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So, what is considered a light-touring ride? A century ride for example or a whole weekend ride?
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I would think a Sport Tourer would be better for a century or a weekend. You don't have the heavy load issues to contend with for a ride like that, generally. It all comes down to weight, and how much stuff you have to bring along. Also, how much that stuff weighs, and whether it causes issues with bike handling and balance. The longer wheelbase and braze-ons of the full-on Touring Bike allow more racks (front and rear) and better handling due to better weight distribution front and rear. Tourer can take bigger tires to help handle more weight, generally. All of this makes for slower turns and more drag, but with greater comfort and carrying capacity. Longer tours may not have longer miles per day, but it's day after day that becomes a factor
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Cannondale ST- sport touring defined. Slightly longer chainstays, 9 speed triple,modern wheels. This shot taken just before 150 miles in 9 hours at 24HoB.
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