How would one know if a BB is Italian threaded??
05-02-12 | 10:52 AM
#1
Thread Starter
Senior Member
Joined: Jul 2009
Posts: 11,128
Likes: 39
Bikes: 1986 Alan Record Carbonio, 1985 Vitus Plus Carbone 7, 1984 Peugeot PSV, 1972 Line Seeker, 1986(est.) Medici Aerodynamic (Project), 1985(est.) Peugeot PY10FC
How would one know if a BB is Italian threaded??
It's an Italian frame I am working on now, and I was hoping the BB is English threaded and the English threaded BBs I have on hand would work so I started screwing in the cups by hand to find out. The non drive side cup screwed in OK for a bit and then started getting tight after a few turns. The non drive side cup did exactly the same thing....so, would this be the symptoms that indicate the BB shell is Italian threaded then??
Funny thing is, the English threaded headsets I have seems to screw in all the way OK on to the fork steerer tube.
I'd just like to make sure before I go ahead buy an Italian BB for the bike.
Chombi
Funny thing is, the English threaded headsets I have seems to screw in all the way OK on to the fork steerer tube.
I'd just like to make sure before I go ahead buy an Italian BB for the bike.
Chombi
05-02-12 | 11:09 AM
#3
Senior Member
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 11,495
Likes: 4,912
From: San Jose (Willow Glen) Ca
Bikes: Kirk Custom JK Special, 86 De Rosa Pro, '84 Team Miyata,(dura ace old school) 80?? SR Semi-Pro 600 Arabesque
what year is frame? brand? that might help.
my understanding is that the threading on a english headset will work with italian threaded fork....minimal difference so you can't use that as an indicator
my understanding is that the threading on a english headset will work with italian threaded fork....minimal difference so you can't use that as an indicator
__________________
Life is too short not to ride the best bike you have, as much as you can.
Life is too short not to ride the best bike you have, as much as you can.
05-02-12 | 11:16 AM
#4
Thread Starter
Senior Member
Joined: Jul 2009
Posts: 11,128
Likes: 39
Bikes: 1986 Alan Record Carbonio, 1985 Vitus Plus Carbone 7, 1984 Peugeot PSV, 1972 Line Seeker, 1986(est.) Medici Aerodynamic (Project), 1985(est.) Peugeot PY10FC
This is getting a bit confusing, I'll take a closer look at the threads on the shell and BB again tonight.
Chombi
05-02-12 | 11:19 AM
#5
Thread Starter
Senior Member
Joined: Jul 2009
Posts: 11,128
Likes: 39
Bikes: 1986 Alan Record Carbonio, 1985 Vitus Plus Carbone 7, 1984 Peugeot PSV, 1972 Line Seeker, 1986(est.) Medici Aerodynamic (Project), 1985(est.) Peugeot PY10FC
Chombi
05-02-12 | 11:21 AM
#6
Senior Member
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 1,115
Likes: 17
If the shell is 70 mm (-ish) wide, it's almost certainly Italian-threaded (but nothing is 100% certain...).
If the shell is 68 (-ish), it generally isn't Italian, but could be any of four threading types (more if you count Raleigh 26 tpi, but those were usally wider than 68).
Are you trying to put Swiss-thread cups into a BSC shell, perhaps? They are close in spec....
Edit: didn't see your post right above mine. Should be Italian, unless Nishiki was able to spec. BSC? The non-drive side is a RH thread, right? And the drive side is LH? Sounds like BSC, and maybe you just need to carefully chase the threads?
If the shell is 68 (-ish), it generally isn't Italian, but could be any of four threading types (more if you count Raleigh 26 tpi, but those were usally wider than 68).
Are you trying to put Swiss-thread cups into a BSC shell, perhaps? They are close in spec....
Edit: didn't see your post right above mine. Should be Italian, unless Nishiki was able to spec. BSC? The non-drive side is a RH thread, right? And the drive side is LH? Sounds like BSC, and maybe you just need to carefully chase the threads?
Last edited by 753proguy; 05-02-12 at 11:27 AM.
05-02-12 | 11:23 AM
#7
Senior Member
Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 3,189
Likes: 62
From: The Thumb, MI
Exactly as Gearbasher said. A english cup will drop directly into a Italian bb and fall out like your tongue out of your mouth when you see Selma Hayek. While a Italian cup into a BB won't ever happen unless your the Incredible Hulk, Chuck Norris or God.
05-02-12 | 11:28 AM
#8
Senior Member
Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 112
Likes: 2
From: Utah
Bikes: Basso, No name 70's Columbus steel frame with Campy components, Fuji - The Finest, Raleigh Super Record, Giant Advanced TCR
I use Sheldon Brown's web site for questions on bottom bracket types. This link has a good summary of threading at the bottom of the web page:
https://sheldonbrown.com/bbsize.html
https://sheldonbrown.com/bbsize.html
05-02-12 | 11:53 AM
#9
Cyclotouriste
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 11,792
Likes: 7,015
From: South Holland, NL
Bikes: Yes, please.
So what are you saying? I don't fancy Selma Hayek, so should I avoid Italian threads? Or BSC bottom brackets? Darn, this bike thing is getting complicated ....
Last edited by non-fixie; 05-03-12 at 03:10 PM.
05-02-12 | 04:38 PM
#10
Bianchi Goddess
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 28,962
Likes: 4,229
From: Shady Pines Retirement Fort Wayne, In
Bikes: Too many to list here check my signature.
__________________
“One morning you wake up, the girl is gone, the bikes are gone, all that's left behind is a pair of old tires and a tube of tubular glue, all squeezed out"
Sugar "Kane" Kowalczyk
“One morning you wake up, the girl is gone, the bikes are gone, all that's left behind is a pair of old tires and a tube of tubular glue, all squeezed out"
Sugar "Kane" Kowalczyk
05-03-12 | 04:44 AM
#11
Thread Starter
Senior Member
Joined: Jul 2009
Posts: 11,128
Likes: 39
Bikes: 1986 Alan Record Carbonio, 1985 Vitus Plus Carbone 7, 1984 Peugeot PSV, 1972 Line Seeker, 1986(est.) Medici Aerodynamic (Project), 1985(est.) Peugeot PY10FC
Well, it looks like I was screwing in the Bador BB backwards. For some reason the spindle was flipped sometime in its life and the longer end is in the wrong cup. The BB screwed in OK after I flipped it. The cup threads engaged and they did not fall through, so definitely not an Italian threaded BB shell and defintely English. Also got a PM from the PO saying that he is sure it's English I also dug up an old DA fixed cup I had that is marked 1.37 x 24T and it screwed in OK too. The BB shell is 68mm wide so I guess that's another sign it's English threaded.
Thanks for all the info guys! your help will help me find the correct BB for the bike. I guess the interchangability with Italian and English threading only happens with the headsets then. I kinda thought it included the BBs.......By the way, does anyone know what ISO tapered spindle legnth will work with a double Edco Competitioon crank. Didn't see it listed in Sheldon's lists. 113mm, maybe?
Chombi
Thanks for all the info guys! your help will help me find the correct BB for the bike. I guess the interchangability with Italian and English threading only happens with the headsets then. I kinda thought it included the BBs.......By the way, does anyone know what ISO tapered spindle legnth will work with a double Edco Competitioon crank. Didn't see it listed in Sheldon's lists. 113mm, maybe?
Chombi
05-03-12 | 06:20 AM
#12
Senior Member
Joined: Oct 2011
Posts: 10,050
Likes: 2,508
From: Fairplay Co
Bikes: Current 79 Nishiki Custum Sport, Jeunet 620, notable previous bikes P.K. Ripper loop tail, Kawahara Laser Lite, Paramount Track full chrome, Raliegh Internatioanl, Motobecan Super Mirage. 59 Crown royak 3 speed
Well, it looks like I was screwing in the Bador BB backwards. For some reason the spindle was flipped sometime in its life and the longer end is in the wrong cup. The BB screwed in OK after I flipped it. The cup threads engaged and they did not fall through, so definitely not an Italian threaded BB shell and defintely English. Also got a PM from the PO saying that he is sure it's English I also dug up an old DA fixed cup I had that is marked 1.37 x 24T and it screwed in OK too. The BB shell is 68mm wide so I guess that's another sign it's English threaded.
Thanks for all the info guys! your help will help me find the correct BB for the bike. I guess the interchangability with Italian and English threading only happens with the headsets then. I kinda thought it included the BBs.......By the way, does anyone know what ISO tapered spindle legnth will work with a double Edco Competitioon crank. Didn't see it listed in Sheldon's lists. 113mm, maybe?
Chombi
Thanks for all the info guys! your help will help me find the correct BB for the bike. I guess the interchangability with Italian and English threading only happens with the headsets then. I kinda thought it included the BBs.......By the way, does anyone know what ISO tapered spindle legnth will work with a double Edco Competitioon crank. Didn't see it listed in Sheldon's lists. 113mm, maybe?
Chombi
05-03-12 | 01:05 PM
#14
Thread Starter
Senior Member
Joined: Jul 2009
Posts: 11,128
Likes: 39
Bikes: 1986 Alan Record Carbonio, 1985 Vitus Plus Carbone 7, 1984 Peugeot PSV, 1972 Line Seeker, 1986(est.) Medici Aerodynamic (Project), 1985(est.) Peugeot PY10FC
...if you promise to "behave".....
Chombi
05-03-12 | 01:09 PM
#15
Senior Member
Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 7,848
Likes: 4
If you were able to thread those cups, then the frame obviously has an english threaded BB shell. english cups in italian shells cant be threaded, the hole is too big for the cups.
As for the stop you are feeling, there are many options... but my best guess is that the shell needs to be chased.
As for the stop you are feeling, there are many options... but my best guess is that the shell needs to be chased.
