Hi all!

Do any of you know how late Torelli/ Mondonico used Italian threading on BBs & forks? More exactly, were they still using it as late as 1995 or '97, or had they shifted to ISO by then?

I might snag a nifty old Corsa Strada frameset for next summer's restoration project, but it might be more trouble than it's worth... (So I'm sorta trying to get a reasonable idea of how much trouble I'd be getting myself into. )

If I got it, I think I'd prefer to upgrade to a King 1" HS instead of keeping the original Campy Veloce HS currently fitted. While I have quite a bit of experience with Japanese framesets, I'm mechanically unfamiliar Italian frames (I've enjoyed riding them, but never had to work on them); I've been told that Italian & ISO threading almost match up, but really- how snugly do they actually fit together?

Any advice?

Okaaayyy.... 90 views & no takers, eh?

Alright... just in the interest of historical completeness, so as not to just leave this thread dangling out in cyberspace, I ended up getting the frame anyway; you only live once.

The measurements for the headset turned out to be ISO and the BB, Italian. Here's a couple of pics for the archive; I'm building it up with a spare 105 (5500) group I've had in storage, pending a full refurb w/ 10sp. Centaur.





Thanks for the time & see you on the road!

I only just saw this now, dunno why!

I have a Mondonico, and it is Italian Italian Italian, wherever it could be. Italian BBs are not hard to find, at least if you buy used Campy. I can't say about Shimano, though I have seen Italian Shimano BB cups in the past.

You're taking Camp off of that frame? What do you have, and interested in selling? I may have another Mondonico frame in my future.

I'm not surprised you didn't get much attention. Not too many people here understand Italian frames nor know much about Torelli and Mondo. Gotta be patient sometimes!

For a lot of people, vintage is Ultegra 6600 in an era of 6700.

To be honest, I'm not really surprised either: I asked a very technical history question...

... A mech experienced with a lot of Italian frames could ballpark it pretty tightly, but the exact year? Only a company rep or a real Torelli/Mondo geek would be likely to know the exact answer. In the end, I figured, WTF- and took the plunge.

That said, earlier this afternoon I ran across some general specs for the '97 Corsa Strada (this seems to be a '97), which indicated ISO BB & HS threading. In light of that, I re-checked the frame w/ more accurate gauges and confirmed the spec: the whole frame is indeed straight-up ISO; so using a King HS (read: sealed bearing) won't be an issue. The BB shell is 68mm across, and what I initially took to be a "70mm" stamp on the BB actually read "70Nm", which is the correct torque for the cups.

I've been after a Torelli like this for about five years (green; 54cm; internally-routed rear brake cable; diamond-cut dropout lugs; old enough that it's likely still from Mondonico's workshop; that it's ISO is just that much better: it'll be less finicky to build & maintain).

And, yup: I've taken the Campy (partial Veloce) off for now; I'll put it back on next summer, after I've properly restored the paint & decals (and found a matching RD to complete a Centaur 10sp gruppo); maybe added a braze-on FD tab.

And, yeah- you're definitely right about that: with regard to 'vintage,' some people do seem to have short memories. Btw, I actually have an Ultegra 6500 Italian BB in storage- picked it up by accident at a swap meet some years ago and never found an opportunity to use it. I thought this might be it, but-- ah well.