balsamico

Hi there,

I'm trying to identify this frame. It's a Raleigh, perhaps Grand Prix or Record, but I've no idea of the year. Obviously none of the components are original, but under it all there's a gorgeous paint job wanting to be restored. Keen to give it a try, but I can't identify the year/model.

Any help would be massively appreciated!

Thanks.

auchencrow

The Anniversary headbadge places it squarely around 1969 and the wrap-over Carlton-style stays are a Grand Prix signature feature, but the presence of the pump pegs muddles it up for me. At least I can't recall seeing a GP with TT mounted pump pegs.

Regardless, this promises to be a very cool project. I'm not really sure if I would repaint it or not - it has enough "patina" to be - let us say "unforgettable".

auchencrow

Any other thoughts on the model designation or restoration plan?

gbalke

Have you found the serial number on the frame? On my '74 GP, the serial number is located on the seat tube, near the top.

balsamico

Thanks for this spot. A lot of people have been (real life, not just e-people) have been commenting that leaving the paintjob as is gives it a certain something. As for the restoration plan, I suppose the next thing to do would be to get my hands on a '69 Raleigh catalogue and having a look at the costings on all this. My prime is an unidentifiable lugged steel frame that I decided to dress up as a 60's DBS frame (https://mo-ped.se/noreg/dbs.htm), but I run it as a single with modern components. I love it, but it's the ultimate bell-end mobile in many ways, so it would be nice to actually take the time to ride this Raleigh the way it was intended.

balsamico

Will have a look for this tomorrow in the morning light! Thank you!

unworthy1

you can see many catalog scans at Retro Raleighs, provided by Sheldon brown...but you'll see that for US-spec models there's really nothing like what you have: yes the wrap-over stays were used on Gran Prix (but also on Gran Sport models) but those lugs aren't typical "GP". They used the oval badge (in US) from about '67 through '70 but only on some models. Don't see anything with pump pegs like yours in any of the catalogs, even going back to early '60s. May be a UK model and might be earlier than thought...maybe mid '60s.
More pics of the rest of the frame would be helpful, and have you checked if the threading (BB, fork) is 24tpi or 26tpi?

Edit: here's a '66 Gran Sport, some similarities, some differences:
https://oldtenspeedgallery.com/owner-.../#.UfSmkXFlCnw
there's another similar Gran Sport linked to this page, owner first thought it was a Super Course...

Edit 2: With further searching I found a Raleigh with similar pump pegs: a 1958 Lenton Grand Prix, obviously this one is not a Lenton, but points to something "early."

Hummer

This may also be a Gran Sport model from the 1960s. Check out this thread:

https://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...igh-Gran-Sport

Member nlerner has a 1960s Gran Sport.

The Gran Sport also had the wrap around seat stays. The lugs in your pictures look like those pictured in the link above. The lugs from the 1970 and 1980 Grand Prixs that I have seen are not like the lugs in your pictures. Also the "Raleigh" decal on the downtube looks like a Gran Sport, the 1970 and 1980 Grand Prix decals were different. Also the top tube brake cable guide matches the Gran Sport.

I don't recall seeing a 1960s Raleigh Grand Prix, so the lugs and decals from that period may match your bike.