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Old 03-18-14, 04:08 PM
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I was born in the forties, so I assumed that all that Suntour stuff was cheap Japanese knockoff junk. Little did I know.
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Originally Posted by Grand Bois
That SX660 is one that I would like to have. It appears to have the same all-metal arms as my SLJ 5500. Note that it has the larger Simplex tag that is normally seen only on the SLJ series. Does it have aluminum pulley bolts as on a SLJ?
The arms are all aluminum (unlike the metal-sheathed plastic arms on the 4xx series), but the pulley bolts are steel.
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Originally Posted by Grand Bois
I was born in the forties, so I assumed that all that Suntour stuff was cheap Japanese knockoff junk. Little did I know.
Nahhh........ You might have been thinking of all that Shimano stuff!.......









Just kidding Shimano fans!

The Suntour (Maeda) slant parallelogram RD design was a technical milestone that in a big way, helped bring the Japanese bicycle component industry into the modern world, as it leapfrogged over the Euro companies that still had mostly straight parallelogram RDs that could never match the shifting performance of the Suntours back then. It was no surprise that all the Euro companies then copied Suntour's slant parallelogram design, as soon as their patents that protected them, ran out.... and Suntour kinda died with it...
IMO, Suntour didn't even really need a "Superbe" line with what the Cyclones already delivered....
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Originally Posted by JohnDThompson
The arms are all aluminum (unlike the metal-sheathed plastic arms on the 4xx series), but the pulley bolts are steel.
The chromed sheet steel sheathed Delrin arms on the 4400 series and SX derailleurs were never really a problem. The derailleurs might have loosened up a little quicker than the all alloy SLJ versions, because of the plastic at the pivots, but they certainly lasted long enough for most people that bought the thousands of French bikes that had them...as I never really heard of complaints about 4400 series and SX RDs asploding on people.
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Originally Posted by JohnDThompson
The arms are all aluminum (unlike the metal-sheathed plastic arms on the 4xx series), but the pulley bolts are steel.
There is a 601 on eBay that has those same all metal arms but a Delrin knuckle. I wonder if I could do an arm swap with an SX610 and have a Super SX610?

It's not just the 4xx series that has metal sheathed arms. I have a half dozen SX610s here with metal sheathed plastic arms.
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Originally Posted by Chombi
The chromed sheet steel sheathed Delrin arms on the 4400 series and SX derailleurs were never really a problem. The derailleurs might have loosened up a little quicker than the all alloy SLJ versions, because of the plastic at the pivots, but they certainly lasted long enough for most people that bought the thousands of French bikes that had them...as I never really heard of complaints about 4400 series and SX RDs asploding on people.
I have read a complaint here by someone that the Delrin pivots wear out quickly. I've never had that problem, but with nine bikes and little time to ride, I don't wear anything out.
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