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Originally Posted by fabiofarelli
(Post 22073997)
Hi non-fixie,
Fanini did a lot of Alan even with their own engraving but the bike on this picture seems no Alan to me. I agree, a bit strange because of the text. BTW, I found it on a rather lovely Italian website with lots of eighties Italian advertisements, looking for Daccordi clues. Definitely worth a look, if you're into Italian bikes. |
Originally Posted by non-fixie
(Post 22074083)
Yes, I noticed the picture of what looks like a steel bike, but as Fanini did work with Alan a lot, I thought I'd post the ad anyway.
BTW, I found it on a rather lovely Italian website with lots of eighties Italian advertisements, looking for Daccordi clues. Definitely worth a look, if you're into Italian bikes. |
Originally Posted by fabiofarelli
(Post 22057402)
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...a35c795dff.jpg
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...d06dd68412.jpg |
Bumping this thread because I have eyes on a ALAN Guerciotti and hope this will bring me luck.
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There is a picture of a Rowona in my "favorite builds" folder. I really dig the Campagnolo-CLB combination.
However, the choice of a Wittkop saddle - while looking great - is a bit of a conundrum. I have one of those, and at 780 grams it is heavy. https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...006fbb4e39.jpg |
Here's one i never saw before, appears to be a Battestini (or is it a Rattistini ?) that showed up in a Facebook Marketplace ad (2/05/2023) for a "Campagnolo bicycle" that was tagged by one of our sharp-eyed sleuths and added to the "looking for one of these on CL/eBay?" thread...I can only add screengrab images cause it sold.
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...8f79b94328.png https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...083f22c1b7.png https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...2a2833a890.png |
Another Battestini Alan Record
1985 Alan Record badged as Battestini. The bike shop still has a facebook page and I sent them a message and got no response.
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...7d98fa5bf.jpeg As renovated with some new decals. https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...6e8cab12aa.jpg Frame as purchased. Decals in poor shape. |
Originally Posted by unworthy1
(Post 22801053)
Here's one i never saw before, appears to be a Battestini (or is it a Rattistini ?) that showed up in a Facebook Marketplace ad (2/05/2023) for a "Campagnolo bicycle" that was tagged by one of our sharp-eyed sleuths and added to the "looking for one of these on CL/eBay?" thread...I can only add screengrab images cause it sold.
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...083f22c1b7.png |
Thanks to both of you ^ Andy_Antipas and fabiofarelli for filling in these gaps and adding yet another name to "the List".
So we got the correct spelling of what seems to be a shop's housebrand for ALAN: Battistini and that they apparently rebadged them from the early 1970s until at least 1985! Quite a run! |
Perhaps this covered elsewhere in the forums but, Did Alan and Vitus actually make different frames for different companies, different geometry, tubing gauge, etc or were they all the same frame?
https://tse2.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.G...AA&pid=Api&P=0 |
Originally Posted by Bianchigirll
(Post 22819708)
Did Alan and Vitus actually make different frames for different companies, different geometry, tubing gauge, etc or were they all the same frame?
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What's similar, the 25mm seatpost. At least most of the time.
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Originally Posted by fabiofarelli
(Post 22819922)
Alan and Vitus have complete different frames, the difference is easy to see. A Italian builder and a French builder too. Alan is screwed and glued, Vitus is glued. Alan was the first (1972) and some years later (1979?) Vitus came with their bonded frame. Or do I misunderstand the question?
Yes I know they are different companies. The question is was a Alan badge Basso the same as a Alan Badge Smitty as a frame badge Alan or did they actually make contract frame to a customer’s specifications? |
In case you mean if they made different frames for other brands, no. Most of the time it was just a sticker or/and paint. There are a few exceptions, Alan made the Dual and Carbitubo in collabaration with Colnago. There was a prototype for Gios. Guerciotti and Fanini had sometimes their brand engra ved on the fork crown. As you see, I talk for Alan, Vitus is not my knowledge.
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Originally Posted by fabiofarelli
(Post 22819942)
In case you mean if they made different frames for other brands, no. Most of the time it was just a sticker or/and paint. There are a few exceptions, Alan made the Dual and Carbitubo in collabaration with Colnago. There was a prototype for Gios. Guerciotti and Fanini had sometimes their brand engra ved on the fork crown. As you see, I talk for Alan, Vitus is not my knowledge.
Thanks, yes that was the quest. |
This was (part of) a prototype for Gios
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...1641401e1c.jpg It did not get it to production. |
Originally Posted by fabiofarelli
(Post 22819976)
This was (part of) a prototype for Gios
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...1641401e1c.jpg It did not get it to production. I don't think so, IMO the one cancels out the others benefits. |
Originally Posted by unworthy1
(Post 22820120)
not surprising: did the world need an ALAN with the super-short stays of a Gios Compact?
I don't think so, IMO the one cancels out the others benefits. "OH yes I know that pictures. That was a prototype made by Alan for us , maybe they made two... Never gets to production because was not so good for our work, we were making frames and that was obviously not made by us... I think is beginning of the 90 because the lite decals was on another steel model that was introduced that year...and does make sense because in that period we were using Oria tubes that were heavy so an aluminium solution would have been good.".. |
I realize I have neglected my "duties" as originating this compilation/list in that I never actually made a LIST!
So here's what we have so far, brands are more or less in the order mentioned, where there was mention-only (no pix) I follow the name with (?). Where there was a specific Carbonio model with that brand I follow the name with (CF). There were a few decals (not frames) displayed so despite them being pix of decals I follow them with (?) but happy to edit any that eventually show up as frames or complete bikes. And to edit for any mistakes, typos, omissions... 1. Fanini (CF and ALU) 2. Nishiki (CF) 3. Gitane 4. Carlos 5. Guerciotti 6. Colnago (twin down tube Duall-Ergal, also known as a "Bitubo" model, plus standard Record models, and ALU CX model) 7. Azzuri ("female" step-thru frame) 8. Bontekoe 9. Carrera (CF, + some with blue, or red, tint clearcoat) 10. Performance (CF Hybrid?) 11. Basso (confirmed there was a Carbonio model re-badged as Basso) 12. Peugeot Model 1000 (CF) 13. Tommaso 14. Toray (?) (Torayca, Japan?) 15. Olmo (CF) 16. Cosmos 17. A. Zoli (Azoli ?) 18. Donnay (CF) 19. Arnaldo Prioli (?) 20. CO Bianchi (?) 21. Calzoni Merone (?) 22. J.G. Malidin (?) 23. SELECT (?) 24. Gerber 25. Da Vinci 26. Battistini 27. Lazzaretti 28. Rowona (AKA Rolf Wolfshohl) 29. Thei Sprint 30. Frera 31. CIOCC 32. Waja 33. Rokado (?) 34. Gios 35. Gamba 36. Fangio 37. Plum Vainqueur 38. RIH (Vienna, Austria) 39. Pinto (Mel Pinto Special) 40. JLG 41. Cora 42. G. Fatato 43. Vassallo 44. EUROCYCLES (Delsarte) 45. Rampon 46. GB / DANNER 47. Famina 48. Effetibi 49. Theo Intra 50. Walter Uccheddu 51. Kivada (CF, OS, and MTB) 52. Cycles Record (maybe just branded with a "generic" aftermarket decal set) 53. XEGOS (24" wheels) 54. Coppi 55. Torpado (and a Team Sponsor: Magniflex/Torpado rode ALAN bikes) 56. Stevens (Mountain Bike) 57. Barale (G. Barale on the headtube sticker) 58. Bolley ("Cycles Bolley") 59. Turin (possible housebrand sold by Chicago Area shop) 60. Dazzan (CX frame) 61. Sciutto (Super Record frame) 62. Masciarelli (per '92 catalog probable Top Cross Trekking model, uncertain of tubing material) 63. C.N.C. Special (earlier Record frame, with possible French Connection) 64. Paletti (CF Carbonio Mtn. bike) 65. Guaita (Super Record Alu frame) 66. Magni PEP 67. Mantovani (full-sloping external fork crown) 68. Schauff "Trocadero '91" (Carbonio that did not use the ALAN fork on either of 2 models) 69. Iacopini (Record frameset) 70. Perina (CX model? with canti brakes) 71. Fondriest (also with Rossi logo on TT) CX model 72. Gandi (Lyon housebrand circa '76 or '77) |
Originally Posted by unworthy1
(Post 22820120)
not surprising: did the world need an ALAN with the super-short stays of a Gios Compact?
I don't think so, IMO the one cancels out the others benefits. |
GAMBA
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...69ca6c7a7a.jpg https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...9f22567834.jpg there were also CF models, even CF MTB's under the GAMBA name, but I don't know if it was a shop or team. Also saw above Fanini, they also sold ALU ones, not only CF. I have a French Cycles Europe branded frame, will shoot a pic when I get around the back side of cellar for the record. |
Originally Posted by Trakhak
(Post 22820290)
That reminds me that the shop I worked for in the 1980s sold a couple of Alan aluminum framesets (I think they were Alan frames, anyway; maybe Vitus, though) built for 24" tubulars. The chainstays were designed to be short enough to keep the rear wheel tucked in close to the seat tube, and the top tube was cut down, too, so the wheelbase was incredibly short. As you might imagine, the handling took some getting used to, from what the purchasers told us.
This flyer is from 1992 but there were smaller wheels and 'children' frames much earlier, that's for sure. |
Originally Posted by fabiofarelli
(Post 22820621)
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...f508b7530f.jpg
This flyer is from 1992 but there were smaller wheels and 'children' frames much earlier, that's for sure. |
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