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Lattz 03-29-23 03:04 PM

Nice job MauriceMoss , I wonder, if that list alone covers most of the rebrands, or it is naĎve to think that now we are cooking and the non-ALAN ALAN universe is way bigger.
Anyhow, today's findings are all from eBAY from today,

Rampon
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...40f3a01bfc.png

Different DT and HT Decals: GB / DANNER
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...7c9452a6b7.jpg
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...67744d4c71.jpg

This odd one, also has a totally different name on head badge than on tubes, and thanks to rood being red a proper google search to find one more might take ages... so its a an unknown soldier so far (not that I ever heard of the others)
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...5583005d8e.jpg
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...8ff0616301.jpg
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...8f8ea41078.jpg
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...f348d69875.jpg

Smells like a racer's branding or a shop named after the racer.
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...bcebf639f3.jpg

also a racer's branding
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...a5acd8bb7b.jpg

unworthy1 03-29-23 10:50 PM

Ohh...it's still coming on, Thanks to Lattz .
I have to figure out what to do with the HUGE list from MauriceMoss, but I am going to "sleep on it".
Maybe for an entire winter!
EDIT: I am not sure what to call the "M 2000" frame, I cannot read the decals on the down tube / seat tube

fabiofarelli 03-30-23 02:18 AM

I forgot this one, Kivada. Thought I saw racing frames labeled Kivada too. Dutch.
The saddle has been changed.

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...a0e2275c9d.jpg

unworthy1 03-30-23 12:36 PM


Originally Posted by fabiofarelli (Post 22844854)
I forgot this one, Kivada. Thought I saw racing frames labeled Kivada too. Dutch.
The saddle has been changed.

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...a0e2275c9d.jpg

that's unusual: don't think I've seen the straight-blade fork ever before and are the wheels 26" (Mtn. bike)? And am assuming those 3-main tubes are CF, correct?

fabiofarelli 03-30-23 02:27 PM


Originally Posted by unworthy1 (Post 22845304)
that's unusual: don't think I've seen the straight-blade fork ever before and are the wheels 26" (Mtn. bike)? And am assuming those 3-main tubes are CF, correct?

Correct, MTB with three tubes carbon fiber. It's not that unusual, I've had the same frame, bigger, not my size, before.. A painted version was in the 1992 catalogue.

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...f0e0f910e1.jpg

And there was the alu version without the straight fork.

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...20ce2a7072.jpg

fabiofarelli 04-06-23 02:21 PM

And here's another Carrera, the original fork is comin' soon.
I've seen these, in the same colours, about six times comin' around on the internet.

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...8d18f9f857.jpg

unworthy1 04-06-23 04:22 PM

interesting colors ^ I assume this has CF main tubes (correct?) but is the dark blue color paint or dye in the CF resin?
Certainly the light blue (alloy parts) is anodizing...wonder if this was supposed to reference blue jeans (the main Carrera product)?

1simplexnut 04-07-23 01:37 AM


Originally Posted by unworthy1 (Post 22852266)
interesting colors ^ I assume this has CF main tubes (correct?) but is the dark blue color paint or dye in the CF resin?
Certainly the light blue (alloy parts) is anodizing...wonder if this was supposed to reference blue jeans (the main Carrera product)?

I got my sticky paws on a Carrerra frame just like that one above .
The blue was like a tinted clear coat ?
Chipped off really easily from the tubes and the lugs ( Yes tubes are carbon fibre)


https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...8c37844246.jpg

fabiofarelli 04-07-23 04:24 AM


Originally Posted by unworthy1 (Post 22852266)
interesting colors ^ I assume this has CF main tubes (correct?) but is the dark blue color paint or dye in the CF resin?
Certainly the light blue (alloy parts) is anodizing...wonder if this was supposed to reference blue jeans (the main Carrera product)?

As noted by 1simplexnut, you're correct, carbon fiber tubes. About the blue jeans, I got the same idea.


Originally Posted by 1simplexnut (Post 22852563)
I got my sticky paws on a Carrerra frame just like that one above .
The blue was like a tinted clear coat ?
Chipped off really easily from the tubes and the lugs ( Yes tubes are carbon fibre)

Yes, makes me think of a blue tinted clear coat. As it is my opinion a very nice colour I'm afraid you're right, it peels easily off. In some way it looks like the old chromovelato, transparant finish and vulnerable.

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...47dd3158fb.jpg

Chombi1 04-07-23 12:10 PM

The CF tubes on the ALAN branded Carbonio comes from ALAN raw/unfinished with a matte surface.
The visible weave of the CF ripples and waves a bit under the resin, giving it a hand made look, Unlike what you would see on its Trek and Specialized counterparts.

chain_whipped 04-15-23 02:57 PM

Peugeot? (Scroll down on page 3)

Donnay and the AlAn era, too.

unworthy1 04-15-23 03:42 PM


Originally Posted by chain_whipped (Post 22860615)

"the List" currently has entries for both (12. Peugeot Model 1000) and (18. Donnay) but not sure if there's photo evidence (yet) for an Eddy Merckx rebranded ALAN Carbonio, even tho the text claims they did exist (as Donnay Pro 8000), but for this purpose "pics or it never happened" is the rule

nintando 04-17-23 12:58 AM

Pinarello-Alan
 
I have very mysterious Pinarello which is truly Alan Unical 7020 (it was confimed by Alan Bike in Facebook).

The paint job was done qualitively. But I don`t know that Alan Bikes made frames for other brands in 00s.

https://sun9-71.userapi.com/impg/GWd...0d4&type=album

unworthy1 04-17-23 10:32 AM


Originally Posted by nintando (Post 22862123)
I have very mysterious Pinarello which is truly Alan Unical 7020 (it was confimed by Alan Bike in Facebook).

The paint job was done qualitively. But I don`t know that Alan Bikes made frames for other brands in 00s.

https://sun9-71.userapi.com/impg/GWd...0d4&type=album

Not sure what to do with "modern" examples like this Pinarello rebranded ALAN "Unical" welded frame.
My intention was always to focus just on the "classic" screwed-and-glued models, whether all alu alloy or with CF tubes and alloy fittings.
We are C&V after all
;)

CyclesMakaron 04-23-23 01:16 AM

Donnay and Eddy Merckx Cycles are two different companies. Donnay rebranded the Alan frames, EMC did not. What appeared as the Peugeot 1000 was a Donnay order 'taken over' by Peugeot after the Donnay bankruptcy - a one-off operation.
Interesting fact: Alan produced alu forks for EMC for alu early models - Alu, Mega, Alu Team.

fabiofarelli 04-23-23 09:57 AM


Originally Posted by CyclesMakaron (Post 22868368)
Donnay and Eddy Merckx Cycles are two different companies. Donnay rebranded the Alan frames, EMC did not. What appeared as the Peugeot 1000 was a Donnay order 'taken over' by Peugeot after the Donnay bankruptcy - a one-off operation.
Interesting fact: Alan produced alu forks for EMC for alu early models - Alu, Mega, Alu Team.

And the brand Donnay was, far as I know, with a lot of money from 'Europe' taken over by the guys from Carbon Valley. who already made carbon Alans in concession.

fabiofarelli 04-23-23 09:58 AM


Originally Posted by CyclesMakaron (Post 22868368)
Donnay and Eddy Merckx Cycles are two different companies. Donnay rebranded the Alan frames, EMC did not. What appeared as the Peugeot 1000 was a Donnay order 'taken over' by Peugeot after the Donnay bankruptcy - a one-off operation.
Interesting fact: Alan produced alu forks for EMC for alu early models - Alu, Mega, Alu Team.

And the brand Donnay was, far as I know, with a lot of money from 'Europe' taken over by the guys from Carbon Valley, who already made carbon Alans in concession.

CyclesMakaron 04-23-23 01:18 PM

The gentlemen from Carbon Valley later ended up in court for embezzling money from 'Europe'. Donnay started producing his own carbon frames before he went bankrupt, they were sold as Eddy Merckx Carbon Monocoque (a few hundred units, without EMC factory markings).
After these adventures Eddy was discouraged from carbon frames for 10 years :)

Lattz 04-23-23 01:57 PM


Originally Posted by fabiofarelli (Post 22852163)
And here's another Carrera, the original fork is comin' soon.
I've seen these, in the same colours, about six times comin' around on the internet.

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...8d18f9f857.jpg

If you wanna hoard them there red pair is up for sale in BE. ;)
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...5bbd709a40.png
"...gotta catch em all....Pokémon..."

Lattz 04-23-23 01:59 PM

Did we have Cycles Record already?
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...8acc2fa70f.jpg
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...820f4227b7.jpg

fabiofarelli 04-24-23 01:00 AM


Originally Posted by Lattz (Post 22868853)
If you wanna hoard them there red pair is up for sale in BE. ;)
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...5bbd709a40.png
"...gotta catch em all....Pokémon..."

Thnx, no, I don't hoard by color. :)
And I noticed this one, on the Dutch MP too.
As I saw you're from German, you probably can read the proof .

fabiofarelli 04-24-23 08:37 AM


Originally Posted by CyclesMakaron (Post 22868804)
The gentlemen from Carbon Valley later ended up in court for embezzling money from 'Europe'. Donnay started producing his own carbon frames before he went bankrupt, they were sold as Eddy Merckx Carbon Monocoque (a few hundred units, without EMC factory markings).
After these adventures Eddy was discouraged from carbon frames for 10 years :)

I think Bernard Tapie was involved too ..

unworthy1 04-24-23 11:59 AM


Originally Posted by Lattz (Post 22868856)

we do now: number 52. Cycles Record

Chombi1 04-25-23 02:17 PM

With so many companies adopting ALAN framesets as their own, did it translate into a lot of ALANs in the pro peletons back then?
Team Cafe Colombia's Lucho Herrera certainly got ALAN in the limelight in the 85 TdF.

fabiofarelli 04-29-23 01:33 PM


Originally Posted by Chombi1 (Post 22871118)
With so many companies adopting ALAN framesets as their own, did it translate into a lot of ALANs in the pro peletons back then?
Team Cafe Colombia's Lucho Herrera certainly got ALAN in the limelight in the 85 TdF.

Most of these were pro peloton, only two teams are not. I don't have pictures here of every year/team but it gives an idea.
Click here

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...7b1ba2ab43.png


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