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Keep an open mind! Being nice works!
I'm always prepared for a confrontation with a driver, but an interaction today is a good reminder of why I have a policy of starting out being nice with everyone. There's a 1/2 mile stretch of my commute that has a median which makes it so that there is not room for a car a bike to coexist; it's really narrow, and I essentially take the lane. There's also several "Bikes may use full lane" signs along this stretch, but I think most drivers ignore them. I had someone tailing me along this stretch and my spidey-sense made me think they were itching to get by me and pretty annoyed. The street widens at the light and he pulled up next to me on my left. He says something, but I didn't catch what, so I lean closer and ask him to repeat it. He says, "you don't put gas in that thing?" I laugh and say, no I put the food in me and then I make the bike go. He seems interested, I tell him he could put the suit he's wearing in a garment bag pannier and bike himself. He asks me what I do, and when I tell him IT, he says he's a recruiter and would like to get my info and he likes my personality. When the light changes, we go across and pull over and exchange contact info. It would be an interesting story if I get my next job through this guy.
Anyway, I wanted to share this because I've always found that being as friendly as possible with drivers is the right thing to do no matter what they're doing. I've caught up to people who have buzzed me and been polite and willing to give them the benefit of the doubt. Sometimes they are genuinely apologetic, which only is possible if I'm not "going in hot". |
Most drivers in Minnesota are quite good and incidents are more rare than in most other parts of the U.S. They are also more likely to be, or at least seem, genuinely sorry for close passes and other stuff. It's fairly easy to start off nice with them. Drivers in Florida are another story.
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Originally Posted by CrankyOne
(Post 18154375)
Most drivers in Minnesota are quite good and incidents are more rare than in most other parts of the U.S. They are also more likely to be, or at least seem, genuinely sorry for close passes and other stuff. It's fairly easy to start off nice with them. Drivers in Florida are another story.
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A good chunk of the drivers in my neck of the woods don't really seem to pay all to much attention to anything... I believe they are why Iowa is an acronym for idiots out wondering around.
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Unless there's an obvious display of hostility, I'll assume their transgression was unintentional, and that they will likely be conscious of their mistake on their own.
I figure nobody's perfect, including myself, and that its often best to just let it go. |
Being nice? Umm, OK. Most drivers start out with a long horn, The Ole' Mass salute, and then a barrage of insults hurled out the window. Welcome to MA. I try, really I do.
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The only interaction I've had with a driver this year was we were both stopped in town at lights on the same block heading in opposite directions, and he asked "what does your motor run on?" I said "Cheeseburgers. Lots of them." We both laughed as the lights turned green.
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Open mind? **** that **** up the ****. I **** **** and **** **** **** all the ****ing time, no ****ing bones about that ****.
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Yuck I hate "boulevard" streets when there is only one lane on either side of a median. Makes it a real PITA for cycling, or if you car breaks down through there, or whatever. My parents' neighborhood has that crap and it's really stupid.
There was a guy on a bike near me in the Memphis area a couple of weeks ago who was passed very closely by an SUV, and then shortly after he caught up with them and apparently had some sort of negative interaction with them. Someone in the SUV proceeded to open fire on him. Luckily he got away with only very slight injuries (really sucky shot that guy was, perhaps?). Either way the guy got off REALLY lucky. |
Originally Posted by CrankyOne
(Post 18154375)
Most drivers in Minnesota are quite good and incidents are more rare than in most other parts of the U.S. They are also more likely to be, or at least seem, genuinely sorry for close passes and other stuff. It's fairly easy to start off nice with them.
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Originally Posted by PatrickGSR94
(Post 18166217)
Yuck I hate "boulevard" streets when there is only one lane on either side of a median. Makes it a real PITA for cycling, or if you car breaks down through there, or whatever. My parents' neighborhood has that crap and it's really stupid.
There was a guy on a bike near me in the Memphis area a couple of weeks ago who was passed very closely by an SUV, and then shortly after he caught up with them and apparently had some sort of negative interaction with them. Someone in the SUV proceeded to open fire on him. Luckily he got away with only very slight injuries (really sucky shot that guy was, perhaps?). Either way the guy got off REALLY lucky. |
Everything around the MEM airport is sketchy. All the way around it 360 degrees. :P But Midtown, Downtown and East Memphis are pretty awesome!
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Originally Posted by ItsJustMe
(Post 18157308)
The only interaction I've had with a driver this year was we were both stopped in town at lights on the same block heading in opposite directions, and he asked "what does your motor run on?" I said "Cheeseburgers. Lots of them." We both laughed as the lights turned green.
She was nice, too... |
I had 2 different people comment on my lights during my 61 mile Labor Day ride last week. One guy doing yard work commented as I rolled by that he could see my flashing headlight from way back at the corner (at least 1/4 mile away, others have said they can see it from nearly a mile). And then later on a friend on Strava said that he saw me that morning and could see my 2 flashing rear lights from nearly a mile away.
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Originally Posted by PatrickGSR94
(Post 18166528)
Everything around the MEM airport is sketchy. All the way around it 360 degrees. :P But Midtown, Downtown and East Memphis are pretty awesome!
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Originally Posted by Leebo
(Post 18156240)
Being nice? Umm, OK. Most drivers start out with a long horn, The Ole' Mass salute, and then a barrage of insults hurled out the window. Welcome to MA. I try, really I do.
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Originally Posted by CrankyOne
(Post 18154375)
Most drivers in Minnesota are quite good and incidents are more rare than in most other parts of the U.S. They are also more likely to be, or at least seem, genuinely sorry for close passes and other stuff. It's fairly easy to start off nice with them. Drivers in Florida are another story.
Originally Posted by Cyclosaurus
(Post 18154449)
Yeah, it's pretty hit or miss here in Chicago. I guess we got some of both Minnesota and Florida...
When it comes to cyclists, Minnesota drivers are really pretty decent towards cyclists, but that is a relatively recent development - maybe within the last 10 years or so. Used to be I could count on getting yelled at by someone every time I went for a ride and wasn't on a bike path. Now, it hardly happens and is rare. I live on the border between MN and WI and for decades WI drivers were better towards cyclists, but that has changed now. J. |
Originally Posted by JohnJ80
(Post 18167563)
I live on the border between MN and WI and for decades WI drivers were better towards cyclists, but that has changed now.
Great comments though. |
Originally Posted by RubeRad
(Post 18166348)
According to the stereotype, most people in Minnesota are quite nice in general...
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Originally Posted by CrankyOne
(Post 18168020)
Yeah, but WI drivers think the left lane is for cruising slowly instead of passing and getting back right :-)
Great comments though.
Originally Posted by CJ Str3tch
(Post 18168127)
WHOA! WHOA! WHOA! What stereotype are we talkin' about here?? The gopher one? Or the "they're almost Canadian" one? :p ;)
J. |
Originally Posted by JohnJ80
(Post 18168340)
We're talking about the "better dead than red" one.
J. "In the immortal words of Jean Paul Sartre, 'Au revoir, gopher'. " Carl Spackler |
I commute to a driving job...when I was out driving the other day I saw a guy on a really sweet bridgestone XO-1 and, not being able to help myself, I yelled "sweet bike" out the window. He whipped around totally ready for a fight...came up to the window and I'm like "dude, that's a beautiful Bridgestone!". He had no idea wtf was going on because I think his brain was already 5 steps ahead and he'd already decided I was starting **** with him.
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Originally Posted by CrankyOne
(Post 18168020)
Yeah, but WI drivers think the left lane is for cruising slowly instead of passing and getting back right :-)
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Originally Posted by CrankyOne
(Post 18168020)
Yeah, but WI drivers think the left lane is for cruising slowly instead of passing and getting back right :-)
Originally Posted by rmfnla
(Post 18169492)
Most of America thinks that...
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Originally Posted by CrankyOne
(Post 18169616)
Fortunately not. Some states like Texas, Florida, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin are definitely worse than most. That said it is a problem largely limited to the U.S. among developed countries.
The idea of flashing and passing on the left is not only unknown to many Americans, it is considered offensive to a great many as well... |
Originally Posted by RubeRad
(Post 18166348)
According to the stereotype, most people in Minnesota are quite nice in general...
"Ooh, ya, I think so, ya". |
Originally Posted by rmfnla
(Post 18169761)
Why do you think it took so long for U.S. auto makers to include headlight flashers on their cars (and move the brights control off the floor)?
The idea of flashing and passing on the left is not only unknown to many Americans, it is considered offensive to a great many as well... We can do it on moving walkways at the airport but can't do it on roadways where it will save lives instead of a few seconds. |
The guy sounded nice, but his job description made me think of someone who recruits.... for multi-level marketing schemes. So be careful of that, but what your saying about keeping your mind open is true.
The other day i was riding on the road, off to the right and this kid flys around me, swears and says something about getting off the road and riding on the sidewalk. I don't know what came over me at first but i felt like i wanted to pull him out of his car.... so i get into a high gear and start pedaling, and motion for him to stop and come at me. He stops his car, and i get to his driver window and i had a calm come over me, instead of saying things that would have been in a rage i explained to him that i had the right to be on the road more then i do on a sidewalk, and being a bike commuter i can't please people on the road and the sidewalk....... and you know what, he apologized actually quite nicely and we parted ways.... |
Originally Posted by CrankyOne
(Post 18169616)
Fortunately not. Some states like Texas, Florida, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin are definitely worse than most. That said it is a problem largely limited to the U.S. among developed countries.
(though I do take the position that the majority of Canada's Geography is underdeveloped) |
people in NYC are jerks or crazy for the most part...but i do this too.
i'm just default nice mostly b/c i know i don't further our cause by not. i'm usually pleasantly surprised by others responding better than i expect. |
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