Keep an open mind! Being nice works!
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Keep an open mind! Being nice works!
I'm always prepared for a confrontation with a driver, but an interaction today is a good reminder of why I have a policy of starting out being nice with everyone. There's a 1/2 mile stretch of my commute that has a median which makes it so that there is not room for a car a bike to coexist; it's really narrow, and I essentially take the lane. There's also several "Bikes may use full lane" signs along this stretch, but I think most drivers ignore them. I had someone tailing me along this stretch and my spidey-sense made me think they were itching to get by me and pretty annoyed. The street widens at the light and he pulled up next to me on my left. He says something, but I didn't catch what, so I lean closer and ask him to repeat it. He says, "you don't put gas in that thing?" I laugh and say, no I put the food in me and then I make the bike go. He seems interested, I tell him he could put the suit he's wearing in a garment bag pannier and bike himself. He asks me what I do, and when I tell him IT, he says he's a recruiter and would like to get my info and he likes my personality. When the light changes, we go across and pull over and exchange contact info. It would be an interesting story if I get my next job through this guy.
Anyway, I wanted to share this because I've always found that being as friendly as possible with drivers is the right thing to do no matter what they're doing. I've caught up to people who have buzzed me and been polite and willing to give them the benefit of the doubt. Sometimes they are genuinely apologetic, which only is possible if I'm not "going in hot".
Anyway, I wanted to share this because I've always found that being as friendly as possible with drivers is the right thing to do no matter what they're doing. I've caught up to people who have buzzed me and been polite and willing to give them the benefit of the doubt. Sometimes they are genuinely apologetic, which only is possible if I'm not "going in hot".
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Most drivers in Minnesota are quite good and incidents are more rare than in most other parts of the U.S. They are also more likely to be, or at least seem, genuinely sorry for close passes and other stuff. It's fairly easy to start off nice with them. Drivers in Florida are another story.
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Most drivers in Minnesota are quite good and incidents are more rare than in most other parts of the U.S. They are also more likely to be, or at least seem, genuinely sorry for close passes and other stuff. It's fairly easy to start off nice with them. Drivers in Florida are another story.
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A good chunk of the drivers in my neck of the woods don't really seem to pay all to much attention to anything... I believe they are why Iowa is an acronym for idiots out wondering around.
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Unless there's an obvious display of hostility, I'll assume their transgression was unintentional, and that they will likely be conscious of their mistake on their own.
I figure nobody's perfect, including myself, and that its often best to just let it go.
I figure nobody's perfect, including myself, and that its often best to just let it go.
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Being nice? Umm, OK. Most drivers start out with a long horn, The Ole' Mass salute, and then a barrage of insults hurled out the window. Welcome to MA. I try, really I do.
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The only interaction I've had with a driver this year was we were both stopped in town at lights on the same block heading in opposite directions, and he asked "what does your motor run on?" I said "Cheeseburgers. Lots of them." We both laughed as the lights turned green.
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Yuck I hate "boulevard" streets when there is only one lane on either side of a median. Makes it a real PITA for cycling, or if you car breaks down through there, or whatever. My parents' neighborhood has that crap and it's really stupid.
There was a guy on a bike near me in the Memphis area a couple of weeks ago who was passed very closely by an SUV, and then shortly after he caught up with them and apparently had some sort of negative interaction with them. Someone in the SUV proceeded to open fire on him. Luckily he got away with only very slight injuries (really sucky shot that guy was, perhaps?). Either way the guy got off REALLY lucky.
There was a guy on a bike near me in the Memphis area a couple of weeks ago who was passed very closely by an SUV, and then shortly after he caught up with them and apparently had some sort of negative interaction with them. Someone in the SUV proceeded to open fire on him. Luckily he got away with only very slight injuries (really sucky shot that guy was, perhaps?). Either way the guy got off REALLY lucky.
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According to the stereotype, most people in Minnesota are quite nice in general...
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Yuck I hate "boulevard" streets when there is only one lane on either side of a median. Makes it a real PITA for cycling, or if you car breaks down through there, or whatever. My parents' neighborhood has that crap and it's really stupid.
There was a guy on a bike near me in the Memphis area a couple of weeks ago who was passed very closely by an SUV, and then shortly after he caught up with them and apparently had some sort of negative interaction with them. Someone in the SUV proceeded to open fire on him. Luckily he got away with only very slight injuries (really sucky shot that guy was, perhaps?). Either way the guy got off REALLY lucky.
There was a guy on a bike near me in the Memphis area a couple of weeks ago who was passed very closely by an SUV, and then shortly after he caught up with them and apparently had some sort of negative interaction with them. Someone in the SUV proceeded to open fire on him. Luckily he got away with only very slight injuries (really sucky shot that guy was, perhaps?). Either way the guy got off REALLY lucky.
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Everything around the MEM airport is sketchy. All the way around it 360 degrees.
But Midtown, Downtown and East Memphis are pretty awesome!
But Midtown, Downtown and East Memphis are pretty awesome!
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The only interaction I've had with a driver this year was we were both stopped in town at lights on the same block heading in opposite directions, and he asked "what does your motor run on?" I said "Cheeseburgers. Lots of them." We both laughed as the lights turned green.
She was nice, too...
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I had 2 different people comment on my lights during my 61 mile Labor Day ride last week. One guy doing yard work commented as I rolled by that he could see my flashing headlight from way back at the corner (at least 1/4 mile away, others have said they can see it from nearly a mile). And then later on a friend on Strava said that he saw me that morning and could see my 2 flashing rear lights from nearly a mile away.
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I hope to get back at some point. If I had more time I would have checked more out. The ribs alone are enough to want to go back
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I used to drive my mother in law to the hospital in Boston. One day there was a small flock of geese trying to cross the road, in the city. I thought I would stop and let them go. Everyone went ballistic! A few went right at the geese and beeped the horn to get them to move. The geese ended up going back to where they started from. I hope they all lived.
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Most drivers in Minnesota are quite good and incidents are more rare than in most other parts of the U.S. They are also more likely to be, or at least seem, genuinely sorry for close passes and other stuff. It's fairly easy to start off nice with them. Drivers in Florida are another story.
When it comes to cyclists, Minnesota drivers are really pretty decent towards cyclists, but that is a relatively recent development - maybe within the last 10 years or so. Used to be I could count on getting yelled at by someone every time I went for a ride and wasn't on a bike path. Now, it hardly happens and is rare. I live on the border between MN and WI and for decades WI drivers were better towards cyclists, but that has changed now.
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I commute to a driving job...when I was out driving the other day I saw a guy on a really sweet bridgestone XO-1 and, not being able to help myself, I yelled "sweet bike" out the window. He whipped around totally ready for a fight...came up to the window and I'm like "dude, that's a beautiful Bridgestone!". He had no idea wtf was going on because I think his brain was already 5 steps ahead and he'd already decided I was starting **** with him.
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Fortunately not. Some states like Texas, Florida, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin are definitely worse than most. That said it is a problem largely limited to the U.S. among developed countries.
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The idea of flashing and passing on the left is not only unknown to many Americans, it is considered offensive to a great many as well...
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