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Old 09-17-16, 02:24 PM
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Rear Rack Recommendations

I'm looking for a rear rack for my All City Macho Man Disc. After my el cheapo aluminum Axiom Journey broke in four welds and sheared one spar, I must have something in titanium or some variety of steel. It must clear my 700c wheel and fender. I'd prefer something that attaches to the brake bridge, but I'd consider p-clamps. I've tried a Velo Orange Constructeur, but it doesn't clear the fender and it carries my panniers forward far enough for my heels to strike. Tubus' Fly, Airy, and Carry all look great, but I can't actually find them available for purchase.
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I have two Topeak racks, an Explorer and a Super Tourist. They are aluminum but they're built very heavy, oversized tubes and heavy welds. Mainly I love the quicktrack system. I have been using a Trunkbag DX for about 3 years, and I just bought the DXP for an extended commute and light shopping.

It's very nice putting the bag on and off in about 3 seconds flat and never worrying about it falling off.

No problems fitting over fenders, and they have separate models for disc brakes.
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Saw an Axiom Streamliner Disc Rack today at my LBS. On sale for $42.

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Originally Posted by yokotaGP View Post
Tubus' Fly, Airy, and Carry all look great, but I can't actually find them available for purchase.
You can order stuff or visit in person if you live in Minnesota:
Rear Racks - Perennial Cycle

Online, The Touring Store:
TheTouringStore.com | Tubus Bicycle Racks Home

Also they sell them on amazon, but one of the above two sources might be able to give you better info if you call about exactly what extra Tubus adapters you might need as it sounds like your bike unfortunately is missing rack mounts?

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The o.p. really does not want a steel rack, I don't think anyone makes one anyway. Ditto titanium. I think a Planetbike Eco Rack is enough rack (55lb capacity) for anyone, myself. But there is a Bontrager on the back of our new Trek tandem. Very nice. Twice the price of the Planet Bike, but that thing will carry a human passenger.
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Originally Posted by Leisesturm View Post
The o.p. really does not want a steel rack, I don't think anyone makes one anyway. Ditto titanium. I think a Planetbike Eco Rack is enough rack (55lb capacity) for anyone, myself. But there is a Bontrager on the back of our new Trek tandem. Very nice. Twice the price of the Planet Bike, but that thing will carry a human passenger.
I think you may have misread OP's post...

Originally Posted by yokotaGP View Post
...After my el cheapo aluminum Axiom Journey broke in four welds and sheared one spar, I must have something in titanium or some variety of steel...
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Originally Posted by PaulRivers View Post
I think you may have misread OP's post...
I read his post just fine. And my earlier comments still apply.
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Originally Posted by yokotaGP View Post
I'm looking for a rear rack for my All City Macho Man Disc. After my el cheapo aluminum Axiom Journey broke in four welds and sheared one spar, I must have something in titanium or some variety of steel. It must clear my 700c wheel and fender. I'd prefer something that attaches to the brake bridge, but I'd consider p-clamps.
I looked up your bike, it looks like it has a rack mount attachment on the bottom but not on the top, does that sound right?
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I recently put a rack on a bike with a similar bike (a full carbon specialized sirrus), and solved it far better than using the brake bridge or p-clamps - they make seatpost collars with a mount point on the seatpost collar.

For seatpost it says "FSA SL280, 27.2mm", but that's the size of the seatpost not the collar. The full carbon Specialized Carbon bike I put the seatpost on is here:
https://www.specialized.com/us/en/bi...-carbon/118220

It also lists the seatpost as "27.2mm", but it also lists the seatpost collar as "rack mount seat collar 31.6mm".

So I believe that this Axiom Trekk Seatpost Collar 31.8mm with rack mounts is the size and kind that would work (and is the one I used that the bike shop sold me):
https://www.amazon.com/Axiom-Trekk-C...3I6/ref=sr_1_1

Yeah it's 31.8mm rather than 31.6, but for a seatpost collar it didn't seem to matter. I also just used a regular Topeak rack like some of the people said above and it worked well. My concern was actually mainly in the rack not being to high and looking silly, though the Sirrus I put it on only has 30mm tires (there was still plenty of clearance for taller tires though).

If you know for sure that you're going to have issues with heelstrike, the racks I know of that sit back further are:
1. Axiom Streamliner Disc (110lb load capacity) (Disc version has a wider top so I prefer it as I use a trunk bag)
2. Axiom Journey Uni-Fit Mk3 Alu (110lb load capacity)
3. Bontrager Backrack Lightweight - a super lightweight rack, probably not what you're looking for but thought I would mention it just in case
4. Old Man Mountain makes some
5. Tubus makes adapters for all their racks that would let you move the rack back the same amount
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Originally Posted by Leisesturm View Post
I read his post just fine. And my earlier comments still apply.
OP says he wants a titanium or steel rack, you say he's saying he doesn't either of those. Not sure where you're coming from with that, but good luck either way.
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I saw that rack, but all I've got is a vintage nine hole rack needing arms probably, for your length, one has a broken off end any way but it's pretty dang cool for all that
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I realize I'm probably not all that serious but it is serviceable with some upper surface pitting, decent chrome and superficial rust and the sale never did complete for $10 and shipping, the guy disappeared...





I'll sell it locally, no doubt.
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Originally Posted by PaulRivers View Post
You can order stuff or visit in person if you live in Minnesota:
Rear Racks - Perennial Cycle

Also they sell them on amazon, but one of the above two sources might be able to give you better info if you call about exactly what extra Tubus adapters you might need as it sounds like your bike unfortunately is missing rack mounts?
My Macho Man Disc has braze-ons at the rear drop-outs. I've seen photos of the Tubus Fly attached forward to the brake bridge, and the Tubus Airy will also do so. I couldn't find the Tubus Airy on Amazon, but Perennial has it. The Airy looks perfect, and I liked Perennial's site for its informativeness and easy of use. So I ordered the Tubus Airy and a pair of Ortlieb back-roller high-vis panniers from Perennial. Hopefully next week I'll get to try that system out.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/gregor...s-7363510@N06/
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Originally Posted by yokotaGP View Post
My Macho Man Disc has braze-ons at the rear drop-outs. I've seen photos of the Tubus Fly attached forward to the brake bridge, and the Tubus Airy will also do so. I couldn't find the Tubus Airy on Amazon, but Perennial has it. The Airy looks perfect, and I liked Perennial's site for its informativeness and easy of use. So I ordered the Tubus Airy and a pair of Ortlieb back-roller high-vis panniers from Perennial. Hopefully next week I'll get to try that system out.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/gregor...s-7363510@N06/
Cool, let us know how it works out for you! Brake bridge works fine, though like I said I was surprised at how well the seatpost collar mount worked. Maybe I'm going on a bit about it lol, I had just thought that it would be difficult and look awkward, but it was easy and looks good, and the bike I put it on has the rear rack mount points just like yours appears to in your pics.

Anyways, one other thing I would mention is that the one drawback of the Airy is that it's skinny on top so it's difficult to put a bag on top of it. It's designed as a rack just for panniers. Since you have those it's probably not an issue, just thought I'd mention it.

Let us know how it goes.
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Originally Posted by yokotaGP View Post
My Macho Man Disc has braze-ons at the rear drop-outs. I've seen photos of the Tubus Fly attached forward to the brake bridge, and the Tubus Airy will also do so. I couldn't find the Tubus Airy on Amazon, but Perennial has it. The Airy looks perfect, and I liked Perennial's site for its informativeness and easy of use. So I ordered the Tubus Airy and a pair of Ortlieb back-roller high-vis panniers from Perennial. Hopefully next week I'll get to try that system out.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/gregor...s-7363510@N06/

Congrats!

Often when something like that, especially something that is German like a Tubus rack or Schmidt hub, is hard to find I will check out starbike.com they have been great for me and their prices can be surprisingly low after you subtract out the VAT
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+1 for the seat post collar with mounts. I have used it and believe it's a sturdier mounting option.

+1 for the Topeak racks. I have a Super Tourist. The rails on which panniers hang are not the top rails, which means it's easier to run both panniers and something else on the top of the rack.
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Great choice by the OP (albeit ultra-premium). I use the Tubus Fly on my commuter bike with Ortleib "Office" panniers. Ortleib owns Tubus, so the Airy with the Ortleib back-roller pannier is a match made in heaven. The top of the Airy does not taper like the fly, so it has has more top-mounting options. I keep a bungie cord clove-hitched to the top bar of the fly, which is handy for lashing a lock or other things when making short trips without the pannier.

The titanium should be bomber. I have experienced some crashes with my pannier/rack and although the tubes have deformed a little as a consequence, the welds have held up superbly.

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Anyways, one other thing I would mention is that the one drawback of the Airy is that it's skinny on top so it's difficult to put a bag on top of it. It's designed as a rack just for panniers. Since you have those it's probably not an issue, just thought I'd mention it.

Let us know how it goes.
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Originally Posted by yokotaGP View Post
I'm looking for a rear rack for my All City Macho Man Disc. After my el cheapo aluminum Axiom Journey broke in four welds and sheared one spar, I must have something in titanium or some variety of steel. It must clear my 700c wheel and fender. I'd prefer something that attaches to the brake bridge, but I'd consider p-clamps. I've tried a Velo Orange Constructeur, but it doesn't clear the fender and it carries my panniers forward far enough for my heels to strike. Tubus' Fly, Airy, and Carry all look great, but I can't actually find them available for purchase.
Universalcycles.com and bikebagshop.com both have all the Tubus racks including those.

I recommend the Fly over the Airy for commuting purposes because the Fly has a built in attachment point for a rack light and the Airy does not.

The back cromo version of the Fly is actually lighter than the stainless version.

As another alternative there is another Tubus rack called the Vega that is actually wide enough on top to mount a trunk bag, which I prefer for commuting over panniers because they don't get sprayed with mud and such quite as much as panniers do.

https://www.bikebagshop.com/tubus-ve...ck-p-2677.html

The Axiom Streamliner disc is for some reason significantly heavier than the Streamliner non-disc, same with the Ortlieb rear rack:

https://www.ortlieb.com/en/Bike%20rack%20Rack2/

The Planet Bike Eco Rack is cheap for a reason, but if you are not going to carry 30+ lbs on it routinely it should be fine.

Racktime is owned by Tubus/Ortlieb and are heavy gauge aluminum but also heavy in comparison to the smaller steel Tubus racks like the Fly, Airy and Vega.
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Tubus' Fly, Airy, and Carry all look great, but I can't actually find them available for purchase.
You aren't looking hard enough Lickton Cycles carries the Fly for about $130. Rose Bikes carries the Airy for €138 ($155 US) plus shipping as well as the Fly for €50 ($56). Rose Bikes also has the Logo Titan for €170 ($191) JeJames Cycles has the Carry for $165.

Word of caution about the Airy, the fly and possibly the Carry. They are very narrow racks. The Airy has a deck that is only about 3" wide. I think the Carry is similar in design. Carrying anything on top of the rack is tricky. The Fly is a bit wider but not very wide.

The Airy does have a way of attaching a light. The mount isn't built in but it does work.
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I installed a Tubus Airy from Perennial Cycle. With a couple of minor issues, it works great with the Ortlieb Back-Rollers I ordered along with it. https://www.flickr.com/photos/736351...h/30053602535/
Issues still in progress: Fender vibrates against the cylindrical strut bracket because of insufficient clearance and at the front of the rack and against the rear light because the light mount bracket rotates downward toward the fender.
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Keep in mind its weight + the bag weight!! I didnt factor that in! Together it was 10lbs additional!
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The o.p. really does not want a steel rack, I don't think anyone makes one anyway.
My bicycle has Surly Nice Racks on it and they are steel.
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wrap rubber around where it vibrates and zip tie or bolt and rubber washer, it to that spot, to stay tight.










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One week and two commutes on, I made a few adjustments, and things are working fabulously:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/736351...57673458375420
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