acidfast7

typically British...

BobbyG

I suppose that's the opposite of this:

Korina

So he assumed that all drivers signal their turns?? I assume they don't and wait to see what they do. That said, their attitudes were much better than the testosterone fest in the next video.

RubeRad

video 1: I would not have zipped past that car at that point (I'd like to think)

video 2: love the ending (after 3min)

I was left-hooked in London once. It was more of a video 1 type situation.

ptempel

Its at least refreshing that the driver and cyclist didn't get into a shouting match in the UK video. I almost got a right hook last week in Manhattan. A huge amount of drivers here use neither their indicators nor their rear view mirrors, apparently. So I was able to stop but it was close and involved a skid. I also think that the driver wouldn't stop in that case even if I wanted to explain.

BobbyG

+100

CrankyOne

Given my experience the first is much more likely than the second though the second is much more likely to generate a posted video. The second is much more likely in the US.

Perhaps this partially explains why the US has the highest road fatality rates of all developed countries, and four times higher than the UK who has one of the lowest fatality rates of all developed countries.

noimagination

Hmm, that was 100% the cyclist's fault. Not sure why the driver is apologizing, nor why the cyclist is lecturing the motorist. Yes, the motorist is supposed to signal, but the overtaking vehicle is responsible for passing safely, and passing on off-side (on the left in the video; right in U.S.) is technically illegal around here, and much more dangerous than not signalling.

Any experienced cyclist knows how dangerous it is to pass traffic like that, and should prepared to take evasive action in an instant, or pay the consequences.





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mcours2006

That was a right/left hook, but I don't think the driver was 100% at fault. She should have signaled, yes, but since she did not pass the cyclist she wouldn't have known there was one about to pass her on the right, and she was going at a relatively low speed.

The cyclist should have been more aware of the possibility of her turning, especially riding in congested traffic like that.

wphamilton

That's kind of what I thought, especially when you see them slow down like she did and even more, when you see the wheel turning you know what's about to happen. But I wasn't there and I don't ride in their city so I can't really come down that hard on either the driver or the cyclist. Yes I wish every driver would signal and also check behind them before turning, but they don't, here at least. Maybe in the UK they're generally better about that, and that's why the lecture?

acidfast7

Congested? That was actually quite light for here.

This is more usual going into work and coming home:

Hoopdriver

I always assume a driver will turn in front of me. I cringed when the cyclist started his pass to the inside of the vehicle

FBinNY 

Sorry mate, but IMO that's not a hook. The cyclist was filtering through on the curb (blind) side, so shares the bulk of the blame.

The kind of mishap is an all too common event when filtering too close to the intersection.

As I define it, a right (left) hook is when the passing vehicle turns before properly clearing and completing the pass.

In any case, nobody got hurt, and folks stayed civil, which is about as good an outcome anyone can hope for.

mcours2006

I guess I am also looking at the parked vehicles there too, which has the added danger of being doored, which would also require extra attention from you, which diverts it away from the moving vehicles. You passed three cars before the red car left-hooked you, so no, I suppose it's not congested, but still a long line of cars ahead of the two left-turning vehicles.

Where I ride I do have a short stretch of road similar to yours but without the parked cars. There are various points where cars turn right, including two highway on-ramps, and traffic is normally stop and go during afternoon rush, so I end up passing many cars, like you. I am always hyper-aware of being right-hooked whenever I am approaching an intersection. And not everyone indicates either.

Glad there was no incident. Live and learn.

acidfast7

Politeness as all road-users share the road.

Also, that manoeuvre is not illegal over here, nor is filtering/lane splitting, which is very common due to the insane traffic density in the southeast. Especially on the M25 (motorbikes only).