MTB commuting?
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Lockable forks are fairly common but, if you really want to ride off-road, you also should be looking at higher quality forks. However, those don't usually come on bikes that have rack mounts...that whole cross purposes thing

Weight is also a problem since most of the bikes that can take racks are on the lower end of the bike line and, thus, end up with weightier parts.
Dual suspension can be handy in some situations...works wonders in ice and snow pack.. but it's usually too active for most commuting and you really can't find a dually with rack mounts.
There is nothing wrong with using a mountain bike for commuting. I do it all the time. Yes, it's slower but if you can find an off-road option, it's much more fun than "regular" commuting.
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If you haven't tried a current short-link full suspension bike like a Santa Cruz, I really recommend it. They have the kinematics figured out now and they don't pogo at all as you pedal, or jack up with braking. The torques and tensions of pedaling and braking counter the movement.
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If you haven't tried a current short-link full suspension bike like a Santa Cruz, I really recommend it. They have the kinematics figured out now and they don't pogo at all as you pedal, or jack up with braking. The torques and tensions of pedaling and braking counter the movement.
They are both great mountain bikes...perhaps the best dual suspension bikes I've ever ridden... and the 2005 I chose specifically as my all around bike for leaving at my daughter's house but they are limited as a vehicle for bicycle utility.
A good used hardtail still makes a better commuter bike like this one
DSCN0377 by Stuart Black, on Flickr
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Try a DW-link or VPP bike, I think you'll like it even better. The VPP patent expired and now they're proliferating. Bikewolf asked for a mostly-MTB and occasional commuting bike to supplement his hybrid, that's why I'm arguing for more fun. You can always take a backpack on your MTB day. I'm actually using a backpack full time now even though I'm not a fan, because on daycare days my rack is occupied by a kid seat and on non-daycare days I'm taking the trail on my new full squish bike. It's not prohibitive to skip a rack.
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"Well, well!" said Holmes, impatiently. "A good cyclist does not need a high road. The moor is intersected with paths and the moon is at the full."
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Depends how far you're commuting, there's a reason road bikes differ from mt bikes. OF COURSE you can commute on a mt bike, but might not want to.
I inherited my son's Kona Blast, Marzocchi front fork. I equipped it with front and rear racks. Yes I could ride it all day on pavement and yes I could carry 50+lbs between four Ortlieb panniers on that bike but.......
The stiff aluminum hardtail frame but that back wheel close to the seat - a harsh ride in back. Those short chainstay made heel clearance on the rear panniers iffy.
The front fork has no lock out, yes you do lose energy pogoing the front shocks during normal riding on the street. The short wheelbase was relatively unstable and became worse when the bike was carrying a significant load.
The '95 rigid steel frame Specialized HardRock I'm on now suffers from none of the above deficiencies.
Mike
I inherited my son's Kona Blast, Marzocchi front fork. I equipped it with front and rear racks. Yes I could ride it all day on pavement and yes I could carry 50+lbs between four Ortlieb panniers on that bike but.......
The stiff aluminum hardtail frame but that back wheel close to the seat - a harsh ride in back. Those short chainstay made heel clearance on the rear panniers iffy.
The front fork has no lock out, yes you do lose energy pogoing the front shocks during normal riding on the street. The short wheelbase was relatively unstable and became worse when the bike was carrying a significant load.
The '95 rigid steel frame Specialized HardRock I'm on now suffers from none of the above deficiencies.
Mike
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Any tips on what to look out for when buying a mountain bike mainly for commuting (but, of course, also off-duty mtb fun)? Experience anyone?
Any dually worth riding off-road is going to cost much more than what a hardtail does. The Jamis Trail X cost from $450 to $750. A Jamis Dakar cost $1400. The Dakar is also going to be much more of thief magnet than the Trail X.
You can always take a backpack on your MTB day. I'm actually using a backpack full time now even though I'm not a fan, because on daycare days my rack is occupied by a kid seat and on non-daycare days I'm taking the trail on my new full squish bike. It's not prohibitive to skip a rack.
On the way home, I'll be wearing the short sleeve jersey, short socks and shorts because it's going to be 80°F on the way home. A backpack or even my seat bag just aren't able to handle the excess in addition to my work clothes. The bike in my picture above can take a trunk bag that has drop down sides when handles the excess nicely.
I'll grant you that the dually is outstanding in snow but it's just not as practical as a hardtail for carrying stuff. I actually have a Moots YBB that serves as my studded tire bike but I've fashioned a rack system for it that makes it as practical as the Dean.
Nay. I'm sticking to the Epic. The inertial valve on the rear shock locks it out better than any other system I've tried for riding on pavement and it's extremely active when it gets hit from below. I have yet to find any conditions that would make me want to change. It works as advertised and it works in the background. I don't have to flip levers or even think about it engaging.
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Dreamin' of Bemidji Down the Mississippi (in part)
Plan Epsilon Around Lake Michigan in the era of Covid
Gold Fever Three days of dirt in Colorado
Pokin' around the Poconos A cold ride around Lake Erie
Dinosaurs in Colorado A mountain bike guide to the Purgatory Canyon dinosaur trackway
Solo Without Pie. The search for pie in the Midwest.
Picking the Scablands. Washington and Oregon, 2005. Pie and spiders on the Columbia River!
Stuart Black
Dreamin' of Bemidji Down the Mississippi (in part)
Plan Epsilon Around Lake Michigan in the era of Covid
Gold Fever Three days of dirt in Colorado
Pokin' around the Poconos A cold ride around Lake Erie
Dinosaurs in Colorado A mountain bike guide to the Purgatory Canyon dinosaur trackway
Solo Without Pie. The search for pie in the Midwest.
Picking the Scablands. Washington and Oregon, 2005. Pie and spiders on the Columbia River!





