Helmets cause more danger
#102
I don't have any interest in the helmet debate, but the thread has evolved some and I'd like to add to comments made earlier regarding general safety.
I talked to my sister last night. We were just catching up on things and she asked what we've been up to. I told her that we went skiing/snowboarding several times and that I've been bike riding through the winter.
She went into this Debbie Downer thing about how a young snowboarder in the Detroit area (where she lives) died and another one was seriously injured. It turns out a ski patrol person drove a snowmobile up the mountain and collided with a 7 yr. old snowboarder. Clearly, that's a freak thing. Then she tells me about another couple of stories, one regarding a cyclist who's a newscaster and hasn't been the same since she was hit.
I phased out and didn't even want to stay on the phone.
She stays inside a lot and weighs about 220 pounds (which is what I might weigh if I didn't cycle). I just can't live a sedentary lifestyle and don't begin to understand her point. I'm sure it's safer on a treadmill or other hampster-type machine but I'm not interested. I won't even talk about this with my wife. Bottom line--my kids and I will get out and live life.
It's just important to get your excersize, doing your own thing, while being reasonably safe.
I talked to my sister last night. We were just catching up on things and she asked what we've been up to. I told her that we went skiing/snowboarding several times and that I've been bike riding through the winter.
She went into this Debbie Downer thing about how a young snowboarder in the Detroit area (where she lives) died and another one was seriously injured. It turns out a ski patrol person drove a snowmobile up the mountain and collided with a 7 yr. old snowboarder. Clearly, that's a freak thing. Then she tells me about another couple of stories, one regarding a cyclist who's a newscaster and hasn't been the same since she was hit.
I phased out and didn't even want to stay on the phone.
She stays inside a lot and weighs about 220 pounds (which is what I might weigh if I didn't cycle). I just can't live a sedentary lifestyle and don't begin to understand her point. I'm sure it's safer on a treadmill or other hampster-type machine but I'm not interested. I won't even talk about this with my wife. Bottom line--my kids and I will get out and live life.
It's just important to get your excersize, doing your own thing, while being reasonably safe.
#103
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Originally Posted by thdave
I don't have any interest in the helmet debate, but the thread has evolved some and I'd like to add to comments made earlier regarding general safety.
I talked to my sister last night. We were just catching up on things and she asked what we've been up to. I told her that we went skiing/snowboarding several times and that I've been bike riding through the winter.
She went into this Debbie Downer thing about how a young snowboarder in the Detroit area (where she lives) died and another one was seriously injured. It turns out a ski patrol person drove a snowmobile up the mountain and collided with a 7 yr. old snowboarder. Clearly, that's a freak thing. Then she tells me about another couple of stories, one regarding a cyclist who's a newscaster and hasn't been the same since she was hit.
I phased out and didn't even want to stay on the phone.
She stays inside a lot and weighs about 220 pounds (which is what I might weigh if I didn't cycle). I just can't live a sedentary lifestyle and don't begin to understand her point. I'm sure it's safer on a treadmill or other hampster-type machine but I'm not interested. I won't even talk about this with my wife. Bottom line--my kids and I will get out and live life.
It's just important to get your excersize, doing your own thing, while being reasonably safe.
I talked to my sister last night. We were just catching up on things and she asked what we've been up to. I told her that we went skiing/snowboarding several times and that I've been bike riding through the winter.
She went into this Debbie Downer thing about how a young snowboarder in the Detroit area (where she lives) died and another one was seriously injured. It turns out a ski patrol person drove a snowmobile up the mountain and collided with a 7 yr. old snowboarder. Clearly, that's a freak thing. Then she tells me about another couple of stories, one regarding a cyclist who's a newscaster and hasn't been the same since she was hit.
I phased out and didn't even want to stay on the phone.
She stays inside a lot and weighs about 220 pounds (which is what I might weigh if I didn't cycle). I just can't live a sedentary lifestyle and don't begin to understand her point. I'm sure it's safer on a treadmill or other hampster-type machine but I'm not interested. I won't even talk about this with my wife. Bottom line--my kids and I will get out and live life.
It's just important to get your excersize, doing your own thing, while being reasonably safe.
Hell, I'd rather take the risks than be a fat couch potato...at least I'll die knowing I've ridden over the Continental Divide in Colorado 12 times, to the top of the highest paved road in the US (Mt. Evans, 14,000+ feet), and more.
What do the couch potatoes die thinking about...all the Nascar races they watched? The video games they played? The food they ate?
#104
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Stossel's a moron.
As far as the helmets-attract-cars thing, I'd like to see that re-done w/ controls for bright tail-lights and reflective vests. I haven't noticed this so much but a coworker swears he gets buzzed much more frequently in his vest than without. That drivers are attracted to shiny objects doesn't surprise me at all.
As far as the helmets-attract-cars thing, I'd like to see that re-done w/ controls for bright tail-lights and reflective vests. I haven't noticed this so much but a coworker swears he gets buzzed much more frequently in his vest than without. That drivers are attracted to shiny objects doesn't surprise me at all.
#105
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Originally Posted by HardyWeinberg
Stossel's a moron.
As far as the helmets-attract-cars thing, I'd like to see that re-done w/ controls for bright tail-lights and reflective vests. I haven't noticed this so much but a coworker swears he gets buzzed much more frequently in his vest than without. That drivers are attracted to shiny objects doesn't surprise me at all.
As far as the helmets-attract-cars thing, I'd like to see that re-done w/ controls for bright tail-lights and reflective vests. I haven't noticed this so much but a coworker swears he gets buzzed much more frequently in his vest than without. That drivers are attracted to shiny objects doesn't surprise me at all.
#106
Originally Posted by HardyWeinberg
Stossel's a moron.
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#108
Originally Posted by Cyclaholic
That articre started off being about helmets but wandered off on some vague sidetrip about kids getting poisoned with aspirin and contracting asthma because their house is too clean, all too confusing for this simple mind.
So what's the conclusion? do we wear helmets when riding in the dirt so we dont get asthma, and if we do get asthma don't take aspirin because it might poison us even if we're wearing our helmet when taking it? and what about wearing a wig, what's that all about? do we have to wear wigs to ride our bicycles now? and will we get asthma if we wash our wigs too often? I'm confused.... I'm going for a bike ride, where's my wig... oh no it's in the wash! better take my inhaler then.
So what's the conclusion? do we wear helmets when riding in the dirt so we dont get asthma, and if we do get asthma don't take aspirin because it might poison us even if we're wearing our helmet when taking it? and what about wearing a wig, what's that all about? do we have to wear wigs to ride our bicycles now? and will we get asthma if we wash our wigs too often? I'm confused.... I'm going for a bike ride, where's my wig... oh no it's in the wash! better take my inhaler then.
The Surprising Risks of Playing It Safe
Even Being Careful Has Unintended Consequences
..."When people don't cycle, they're not getting exercise," he said. "We know that not getting exercise and being sedentary is incredibly dangerous. You get heart attacks, you get strokes … proven killers that kill thousands of people...
Unintended consequences of well-intended safety rules are not unusual. In 1972, the FDA passed a law requiring child safety caps on many medications... Because these safety caps are often so hard to get off, some people — particularly older people — just leave them off altogether, and some parents, feeling protected by the cap, leave the aspirin where kids can reach it.
A study on the "lulling effect" concluded that an additional 3,500 children have been poisoned by aspirin because of the regulation.
A second example: You may have seen the warnings about anti-depressants. The FDA demanded that a black box be added to every package. The unintended consequence? Prescriptions to anti-depressants dropped 20 percent. And with fewer teenagers taking the medication, many experts say they are seeing more teen suicide...
And here's an odd one. Most of us, when we have a new baby in the house, make an extra effort to keep the house especially clean. I was no exception. But now there's research suggesting that kids who are exposed to more endotoxins — mild dust, bacteria, pollen, like kids who go to daycare or have pets or live on farms — are less likely to develop allergies and asthma.
Even Being Careful Has Unintended Consequences
..."When people don't cycle, they're not getting exercise," he said. "We know that not getting exercise and being sedentary is incredibly dangerous. You get heart attacks, you get strokes … proven killers that kill thousands of people...
Unintended consequences of well-intended safety rules are not unusual. In 1972, the FDA passed a law requiring child safety caps on many medications... Because these safety caps are often so hard to get off, some people — particularly older people — just leave them off altogether, and some parents, feeling protected by the cap, leave the aspirin where kids can reach it.
A study on the "lulling effect" concluded that an additional 3,500 children have been poisoned by aspirin because of the regulation.
A second example: You may have seen the warnings about anti-depressants. The FDA demanded that a black box be added to every package. The unintended consequence? Prescriptions to anti-depressants dropped 20 percent. And with fewer teenagers taking the medication, many experts say they are seeing more teen suicide...
And here's an odd one. Most of us, when we have a new baby in the house, make an extra effort to keep the house especially clean. I was no exception. But now there's research suggesting that kids who are exposed to more endotoxins — mild dust, bacteria, pollen, like kids who go to daycare or have pets or live on farms — are less likely to develop allergies and asthma.
So go for your bike ride Cyclaholic, it'll be the safest decision you'll make all day.
#109
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Originally Posted by kemmer
Remember people, this is a guy who says making babies with a first cousin is A-OK.
#113
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From: Nor~Cal
Originally Posted by closetbiker
Really? What about Glasner, Dubner, Walker and Mary Douglas, for that matter? Morons too?
#115
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Originally Posted by thdave
I'm sure it's safer on a treadmill or other hampster-type machine but I'm not interested.
#118
I guess individually, bunk is whatever anyone feels it is, but when what seems like bunk to the individual is not bunk to others, is it really bunk? If someone spends a life time investigating the bunk and is considered by those who understand bunk, a prominent voice in all matters of bunk, and an individual doesn't agree with that bunk, it's still bunk to the individual, but it's not really bunk, is it?
#120
Are you guys still going on about helmet wearing asthmaticst with really clean houses that die from aspirin overdoses? sheesh
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#122
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No I'm not!
Yes I am!
I think we're being watched!
of course you are, idiot!
shut up?
make me!
jerk!
look in the mirror!
No!
Why not!
cuz I'd see you!
would anyone else?
good point!
Yes I am!
I think we're being watched!
of course you are, idiot!
shut up?
make me!
jerk!
look in the mirror!
No!
Why not!
cuz I'd see you!
would anyone else?
good point!





