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Old 02-27-07 | 12:19 PM
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those who think they are somehow smarter or superior to those who make the choice not to wear them.
Well, we are.
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Old 02-27-07 | 01:47 PM
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I don't have any interest in the helmet debate, but the thread has evolved some and I'd like to add to comments made earlier regarding general safety.

I talked to my sister last night. We were just catching up on things and she asked what we've been up to. I told her that we went skiing/snowboarding several times and that I've been bike riding through the winter.

She went into this Debbie Downer thing about how a young snowboarder in the Detroit area (where she lives) died and another one was seriously injured. It turns out a ski patrol person drove a snowmobile up the mountain and collided with a 7 yr. old snowboarder. Clearly, that's a freak thing. Then she tells me about another couple of stories, one regarding a cyclist who's a newscaster and hasn't been the same since she was hit.

I phased out and didn't even want to stay on the phone.

She stays inside a lot and weighs about 220 pounds (which is what I might weigh if I didn't cycle). I just can't live a sedentary lifestyle and don't begin to understand her point. I'm sure it's safer on a treadmill or other hampster-type machine but I'm not interested. I won't even talk about this with my wife. Bottom line--my kids and I will get out and live life.

It's just important to get your excersize, doing your own thing, while being reasonably safe.
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Old 02-27-07 | 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by thdave
I don't have any interest in the helmet debate, but the thread has evolved some and I'd like to add to comments made earlier regarding general safety.

I talked to my sister last night. We were just catching up on things and she asked what we've been up to. I told her that we went skiing/snowboarding several times and that I've been bike riding through the winter.

She went into this Debbie Downer thing about how a young snowboarder in the Detroit area (where she lives) died and another one was seriously injured. It turns out a ski patrol person drove a snowmobile up the mountain and collided with a 7 yr. old snowboarder. Clearly, that's a freak thing. Then she tells me about another couple of stories, one regarding a cyclist who's a newscaster and hasn't been the same since she was hit.

I phased out and didn't even want to stay on the phone.

She stays inside a lot and weighs about 220 pounds (which is what I might weigh if I didn't cycle). I just can't live a sedentary lifestyle and don't begin to understand her point. I'm sure it's safer on a treadmill or other hampster-type machine but I'm not interested. I won't even talk about this with my wife. Bottom line--my kids and I will get out and live life.

It's just important to get your excersize, doing your own thing, while being reasonably safe.
Like your sister, I think some overweight and/or sedentary people focus on accident and injury reports and use them as justifications for their sedentary lifestyles ("it's too dangerous out there").

Hell, I'd rather take the risks than be a fat couch potato...at least I'll die knowing I've ridden over the Continental Divide in Colorado 12 times, to the top of the highest paved road in the US (Mt. Evans, 14,000+ feet), and more.

What do the couch potatoes die thinking about...all the Nascar races they watched? The video games they played? The food they ate?
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Old 02-27-07 | 02:13 PM
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Stossel's a moron.

As far as the helmets-attract-cars thing, I'd like to see that re-done w/ controls for bright tail-lights and reflective vests. I haven't noticed this so much but a coworker swears he gets buzzed much more frequently in his vest than without. That drivers are attracted to shiny objects doesn't surprise me at all.
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Old 02-27-07 | 02:23 PM
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Stossel's a moron.

As far as the helmets-attract-cars thing, I'd like to see that re-done w/ controls for bright tail-lights and reflective vests. I haven't noticed this so much but a coworker swears he gets buzzed much more frequently in his vest than without. That drivers are attracted to shiny objects doesn't surprise me at all.
This is just a thought, it is by no means proven in any way. But maybe the vest gives drivers more confidence in the position of the cyclist with respect to their car, thus they feel they don't need to move over as much. I know I definetly get buzzed more when I'm on my road bike all kitted out (bright orange gear) versus when I'm riding my 40 pound cruiser in street clothes. People also slow down more when they pass me on my cruiser, but that's just because my cruiser's just so damn slick.
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Old 02-27-07 | 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by HardyWeinberg
Stossel's a moron.
Remember people, this is a guy who says making babies with a first cousin is A-OK.
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Old 02-27-07 | 02:38 PM
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Stossel's a moron.
Really? What about Glasner, Dubner, Walker and Mary Douglas, for that matter? Morons too?
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Old 02-27-07 | 02:49 PM
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That articre started off being about helmets but wandered off on some vague sidetrip about kids getting poisoned with aspirin and contracting asthma because their house is too clean, all too confusing for this simple mind.

So what's the conclusion? do we wear helmets when riding in the dirt so we dont get asthma, and if we do get asthma don't take aspirin because it might poison us even if we're wearing our helmet when taking it? and what about wearing a wig, what's that all about? do we have to wear wigs to ride our bicycles now? and will we get asthma if we wash our wigs too often? I'm confused.... I'm going for a bike ride, where's my wig... oh no it's in the wash! better take my inhaler then.
Don't be confused. You don't even have to watch the whole show to get the message. It's right there in the headline,

The Surprising Risks of Playing It Safe
Even Being Careful Has Unintended Consequences

..."When people don't cycle, they're not getting exercise," he said. "We know that not getting exercise and being sedentary is incredibly dangerous. You get heart attacks, you get strokes … proven killers that kill thousands of people...

Unintended consequences of well-intended safety rules are not unusual. In 1972, the FDA passed a law requiring child safety caps on many medications... Because these safety caps are often so hard to get off, some people — particularly older people — just leave them off altogether, and some parents, feeling protected by the cap, leave the aspirin where kids can reach it.

A study on the "lulling effect" concluded that an additional 3,500 children have been poisoned by aspirin because of the regulation.

A second example: You may have seen the warnings about anti-depressants. The FDA demanded that a black box be added to every package. The unintended consequence? Prescriptions to anti-depressants dropped 20 percent. And with fewer teenagers taking the medication, many experts say they are seeing more teen suicide...

And here's an odd one. Most of us, when we have a new baby in the house, make an extra effort to keep the house especially clean. I was no exception. But now there's research suggesting that kids who are exposed to more endotoxins — mild dust, bacteria, pollen, like kids who go to daycare or have pets or live on farms — are less likely to develop allergies and asthma.

So go for your bike ride Cyclaholic, it'll be the safest decision you'll make all day.
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Old 02-27-07 | 02:55 PM
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Remember people, this is a guy who says making babies with a first cousin is A-OK.
So what?
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So what?
Cousin kisser.
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Old 02-27-07 | 03:55 PM
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If you say so.
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Old 02-27-07 | 03:59 PM
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Most worthwhile post so far!
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Old 02-27-07 | 06:32 PM
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Really? What about Glasner, Dubner, Walker and Mary Douglas, for that matter? Morons too?
If they're on 20/20, then yeah, it's the trash-tv of primetime investigative news.
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Old 02-27-07 | 06:52 PM
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If they're on 20/20, then yeah, it's the trash-tv of primetime investigative news.
Oh man (), another confirmation. What a crowd.
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Old 02-27-07 | 08:31 PM
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I'm sure it's safer on a treadmill or other hampster-type machine but I'm not interested.
I had a laugh the other day flipping through the channels when I saw an ad for a "safe" treadmill that let's you make big changes in speed at the push of the button in case the treadmill started to outrun you (there's a set of buttons along the bottom row labeled 1 through 10 that you push to get to that mph then incrementally adjust from there). All those people who thought they were finally safe because they found a way to exercise and not have to go outside in the big bad world are at serious risk if they don't own this treadmill
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Old 02-27-07 | 09:19 PM
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Oh man (), another confirmation. What a crowd.
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Old 02-27-07 | 09:26 PM
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so, the whole 20/20 story was bunk journalism then??
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Old 02-27-07 | 09:50 PM
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I guess individually, bunk is whatever anyone feels it is, but when what seems like bunk to the individual is not bunk to others, is it really bunk? If someone spends a life time investigating the bunk and is considered by those who understand bunk, a prominent voice in all matters of bunk, and an individual doesn't agree with that bunk, it's still bunk to the individual, but it's not really bunk, is it?
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Old 02-27-07 | 10:12 PM
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Are you guys still going on about helmet wearing asthmaticst with really clean houses that die from aspirin overdoses? sheesh
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Old 02-28-07 | 11:10 AM
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Just a bunch of paranoid schizophrenicks babbling on...
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Old 02-28-07 | 11:24 AM
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No I'm not!

Yes I am!

I think we're being watched!

of course you are, idiot!

shut up?

make me!

jerk!

look in the mirror!

No!

Why not!

cuz I'd see you!

would anyone else?

good point!
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Old 02-28-07 | 11:45 AM
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LOL!

Am I the only one who wears a helmet and does not care if anyone else does or does not?
I can not stand safety ninnies.
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Old 02-28-07 | 12:07 PM
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check out the last post I made on Helmets cramp my style... in the advocacy and safety forum.

a funny video clip from CBC television
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Old 02-28-07 | 12:14 PM
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LOL!

Am I the only one who wears a helmet and does not care if anyone else does or does not?
I can not stand safety ninnies.
I'm right there with you.
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