Best argument yet.

C'mon, join the helmets cramp my style thread. It's been going on for years

I was just reading a thread about the Dutchs' attitude towards helmets and kendall had a good reply,

"I just learned don't argue with people who feel a helmet is the total solution to prevent injuries, you get nowhere fast."

Agreed.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with wearing a helmet and they even do provide a certain amount of protection in certain situation, and if the OP wanted to get an idea of what others thin what is "cool" that's cool, but if helmets contained all the properties many people claim they contain, there would be much more widespread use. But there isn't. Even in legislated areas there is mixed use. Only in heavily enforced areas there is widespread use. Most people have a realistic assessment of what they are and how much they are needed and they go without. Those who make outrageous claims about others who choose to go without reveal their ignorance but that's OK too because you can always learn. I did. I used to be firmly in the camp of "wear your helmet all the time" but I learned and changed my stance. I'm much more tolerant now.

The links examine the results of increased helmet use. Those results are underwhelming at best. Everything else -- including your wholly imaginary "half-million foot pounds" nitpick -- is angels dancing on pinheads.

+1

and her best friend has a twin brother who is severely brain damaged from a head injury, so i'd catch hell from both of them. so +2.

Hear here!

Of course,in the more likely scenario, he just brushed you, but it caused you to fall and hit your head on the curb just so. All of the sudden that few ounces of foam just made a pretty big difference.

Also: Kinetic energy is not measured in foot/lbs.

And don't worry about feeling uncool with your helment. I leave mine on while grocery shopping since it's easier than taking it off. Flaunt your Fredness![/QUOTE]





I do the same thing. I have a specialized aurora, black.

God spare me from the internet experts.

You forgot to provide a cite supporting your opinion about what is a "more likely scenario". You forgot to cite evidence that bicycle helmets are designed for impacts against angular objects such as curbs. You forgot to cite evidence that, regardless of design, helmets actually do protect against such impacts. And, "also", you forgot to provide evidence that foot pounds is not a commonly accepted and practiced method of expressing kinetic energy.

Aside from that, great post!

You know what we helmet-wearing motorcycle riders call non-helmet wearing riders?

Organ Donors.

Which is fine by me. I might need your organs someday. So I thank you and my family thanks you for being so thoughtful and giving.

You know what non helmet-wearing motorcyclists call people who insult them for making decisions for themselves?

I'll bet you can guess!

Superior humans with attitude? Moms?

A statement like this is so ignorant, it doesn't even recognize it's own ignorance.

Pack it up guys. You're not making your case, you're destroying it.

Right back you ya!

It's even funnier how you keep saying you're not advocating against helmets but against the debate... yet you feebly try to argue every point made for wearing a helmet. Complaining when no hard data is posted yet not posting any data to disprove anyone's statement and support your own obvious opinion. Even my "i don't care what you do" statement pushed your buttons.

I understand though. It's probably all a big conspiracy. Same with wearing your seatbelt... what a load of bull! And that whole smoking thing has gotten out of hand... my grandmother smoked well into her eighties. Second hand smoke? Bahhhh! And there is no real evidence that we even made it to the moon, let alone walked on so I wish people would just drop that one... they're so ignorant.

Oh yeah, and thanks again... in advance.

Bicycle helmets most definitely will reduce your risk of death or a serious head injury in the event of an accident. No one disputes this. Anyone arguing the contrary is frankly just wrong. If you had a choice between wearing a helmet and not wearing one and being struck by a car on a bike, you would be a moron to not wear a helmet.

The argument against helmets, however, is the effect of compulsory helmet laws. In those countries where this has been implemented, the result is a substantial drop in the uptake of cycling in the community. Apart from negative public health implications of a more sedentary lifestyle, a reduction in the number of cyclists on the roads leads to an increased risk to the remaining cyclists. For the most part, the introduction of compulsory helmets has a deleterious effect on the overall population (despite the reduction of serious head trauma as a proportion of cycling accidents).

Regards.

It's a good thing to explain and discuss what you've learned to challenge a position and strengthen an argument. Holes come into view and adjustments can be made but as the old saying goes, you can lead a horse to water but you cannot make him drink, or think in this case. A jack ass will always be a jack ass and even if it's not obvious to themselves, it's plain to see to others.

I like that you can look up a posters history to get a better sense of what that posters writes, how they've described themselves, and what their experiences are. It helps in responding. As always, learning makes things better. If you don't, you get stuck.

If you want debate helmet use, use another thread, the OP here is simply looking for advice on what looks cool. It's the coolness factor that's important to him, not safety. He said, " I won't wear the helmet if I think I look stupid in it" His honesty is refreshing

You're the internet expert apparently. I don't think I need to provide evidence that kinetic energy is not measured in foot-lbs anymore that I need to provide evidence that distance isn't measured in bushels. You clearly have no idea what you're talking about. I cite your posts as evidence of this.

"Kinetic energy is the energy an object possesses when it’s moving. For example, a 2,000-pound car traveling 65 mph has slightly more than 283,000 foot-pounds of energy." https://www.vcu.edu/cppweb/tstc/crash...n/kinetic.html

"KE = (.0443*W*V^2)/2 , where:
KE is Kinetic Energy in foot pounds (ft. lbs.)
W is your aircraft's Weight in pounds (lbs.)
V is the aircraft's speed in knots (KIAS) squared (to the 2nd power)"
https://www.infinityaerospace.com/Bra...Energy_Req.htm

And here, just for your entertainment, is an online energy calculator. You can use it to determine the kinetic energy of an object expressed in foot pounds. Enjoy!

Well there you go! I stand corrected.

One day you folks down there will take up the metric system and then we'll all be able to understand each other!

I do know that there are 40 rods to a furlong, and 504 pints in a hogshead, so I'm learning!

I'll also keep wearing my helmet so I can continue to use my brain in it's current capacity!

I've got this one as my "dressy helmet".



Have you corresponded with the folks at Nutcase, Sammy? I met the wife in a LBS here - she is so nice. Her husband designs them, she keeps it all organized.

just get the cheapest bell. $35 bucks and so many damn vents you'd think you were some sort of fancy cycling super hero sorta thing.

Admin note: I think we've all heard every argument of the Great Helmet Debate ad nauseum. Without weighing in on that one way or the other, would it be possible to offer recommendations without arguing about the actual decision to wear a helmet or not? I think you're all capable of civility - in fact, I know you are.

Goodness! I'm looking for a helmet and innocently clicked on this thread thinking I'd get tips on interesting sites for helmets, maybe some pointers on buying a helmet. Didn't expect the huge arguement since the post was about getting a helmet.

This is the EXACT helmet I was going to point out. Saw it in their newest catalog and thought it was the coolest looking bike helmet I've ever seen.

Personally, I'd probably wear a skate helmet like everyone's talking about but I will DEFENATELY check out the one Winston posted...that's SICK!

Absolutely. Kinda like the people that argue not to wear seatbelts except that seatbelts have been statisticly proven to save lives (I'm one of those statistics) over and over again.

If you don't wanna wear one...cool...but I will.

Yep, this is a great example of a "thread jack". However, some were able to sneak in a couple of sites pertaining to the thread......seems to be some cool choices.

Well, the OP did start out by saying he was concerned about looking stupid in a helmet, and wanted help in finding a non-stupid helmet.

If a fellow started a thread about how he thinks he looks stupid on a red colored bicycle, and could somebody please help him find a red colored bicycle upon which he looked the least stupid, I don't think it would take too long before someone pointed out that he doesn't have to ride a red colored bicycle.

Of course, I'd be lying if I pretended not to know that the mere suggestion that zillions of people around the world get by without helmets just fine was going to rile the helmet Nazis and derail the thread. But if I'd shown up at a meeting of regular Nazis and suggested that maybe Jews weren't so bad after all, would I be the bad guy?